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Old 22-04-2022, 12:40 AM
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Everyone here is so salty that they are in better firms and didnt have their lives ruined over this lol.

With the brief attention span the internet has, without a doubt this will all be forgotten in 4 months time. Then life goes on and they will be called

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Old 22-04-2022, 01:49 AM
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why separate the 6 and 5? why cannot hear tgt?
It's really obvious that his forum is populated by non lawyers ....... Lol

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Old 22-04-2022, 09:09 AM
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Doesn't matter la.

All second tier firms.

Let them languish with all these subpar trainees

Can see why Big 4s are the best. They don't accept all these subpar trainees who have no confidence to pass on their own merits in the first place
Ahahaha this is funny. Gone are the days where Big4 could pick and choose the top graduates. A&G used to not take laterals from smaller / lesser firms (e.g. Rodyk) and nowadays Iíve seen laterals coming in from the firms A&G used to shun. Thereís no one left to hire since practically almost all the capable lawyers get snapped up by the top international firms.

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Everyone here is so salty that they are in better firms and didnt have their lives ruined over this lol.

With the brief attention span the internet has, without a doubt this will all be forgotten in 4 months time. Then life goes on and they will be called
Nobody really cares about "fixing" these 11 losers who don't have the confidence to pass on their own merits without cheating.

We're concerned about the larger reputational effects it has on the profession as a whole. For the 2020 bar exam cohort, the reputational impact is particularly acute since people will be questioning whether the entire process was tainted and if they too had cheated but were lucky enough to escape detection. This is putting aside the unfairness to those who put in the effort to study and either passed or failed, in the proper manner.

There is already a lot of dissatisfaction from both lawyers and the general public about the outcome. This forum simply expresses it in a cruder way due to anonymity.

Maybe you're one of those cheaters? Which explains why you can't appreciate the larger repercussions, and are fixated only on your own narrow self-benefit.
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Nobody really cares about "fixing" these 11 losers who don't have the confidence to pass on their own merits without cheating.

We're concerned about the larger reputational effects it has on the profession as a whole. For the 2020 bar exam cohort, the reputational impact is particularly acute since people will be questioning whether the entire process was tainted and if they too had cheated but were lucky enough to escape detection. This is putting aside the unfairness to those who put in the effort to study and either passed or failed, in the proper manner.

There is already a lot of dissatisfaction from both lawyers and the general public about the outcome. This forum simply expresses it in a cruder way due to anonymity.

Maybe you're one of those cheaters? Which explains why you can't appreciate the larger repercussions, and are fixated only on your own narrow self-benefit.

Correct. Just look at the large amount of linkedin posts on that.
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Old 22-04-2022, 01:55 PM
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Those who cheated will have this hanging over their heads forever. They can run, but they can't hide.

I would advise them to pursue other careers.

It will be so easy to undermine their client's trust in them by letting their clients know that they're one of the 6 cheaters.
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Old 22-04-2022, 08:51 PM
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By redacting their identities, the cohort would be made to suffer together with these cheats. The ones who hold onto integrity will be made to suffer with the cheats. The ones who are in the same profession are also compromised as the cheats will be ranked in the same level as them.
Can play who is the murderer
Fun leh!
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[QUOTE=Unregistered;215053]Ahahaha this is funny. Gone are the days where Big4 could pick and choose the top graduates. A&G used to not take laterals from smaller / lesser firms (e.g. Rodyk) and nowadays Iíve seen laterals coming in from the firms A&G used to shun. Thereís no one left to hire since practically almost all the capable lawyers get snapped up by the top international firms.[/QUOTE

your point doesn't negate his, which is that Big 4 picks the best trainees... these trainess could leave practice after or switch to international, in which case the laterals come in to plug the gap.

In fact - this development is a good thing. Big 4 used to be able to absorb the entirety of the local cohort - everyone deserves the chance to receive the same training and prove themselves in practice. You seem to assume that being a top graduate would translate to practice - while the correlation is there it is not as causative as you seem to suggest.
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There is also hearsay that there are many, many more students who have been caught for cheating - it seems that just that 11 applications have been received by the AGC. No one seems to mentioned this at all in the any of the news posts.

Also, after doing some quick research, SILE is actually run by the AGC, Law Society and all of the big law firms in Singapore, who are directors of the SILE. In fact, the AG is the chairman of the SILE. This would imply that, in substance , all the firms, AGC and LawSoc may have been aware of this incident earlier, and had already made a decision on the matter. As such, I see some inconsistencies with how the matter has been dealt with by the relevant authorities, and it would be fair to say that a proportionate decision is reached balancing both the interests of the general public, legal profession and the cheaters.

At this point, those who have retaken the exams and are not pending application will definitely not dare to apply for admission anymore. In substance, you will never see any of these people in legal practice again, whether they have been caught or not. I highly doubt that they will be admitted anyway based on the increased standards of review as reported by the newspapers for the different bodies. Naming those 6 now will end their legal and professional careers, so I think the judge made a fair and considered decision for the moment, which will definitely be reviewed again in the future, when they are due to be actually admitted after the adjournment is done.

The outrage that general public and members of the public have is also very valid, but at this point one wonders whether SILE, the institution who administered the exam, should also take responsibility for this - as the TODAY article mentioned it was so commonplace to hear of people sharing answers anyway. How is this different from those who have been caught? I think those anonymous people should be revealed too to leak out those people who had shared answers online but were not mentioned.
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your point doesn't negate his, which is that Big 4 picks the best trainees... these trainess could leave practice after or switch to international, in which case the laterals come in to plug the gap.

In fact - this development is a good thing. Big 4 used to be able to absorb the entirety of the local cohort - everyone deserves the chance to receive the same training and prove themselves in practice. You seem to assume that being a top graduate would translate to practice - while the correlation is there it is not as causative as you seem to suggest.
I agree with your points. But personally I donít assume that top graduates become good practitioners - didnít mean it that way. I been in practice for some time now and have good / great law students not excelling in practice, and average law students excelling in practice.

I myself was from a crap uni with average grades and Iíve survived longer than some of my more esteemed peers.


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