Doctors' pay

Is this is the case, the respective hospital should eliminate the option in their website to accept online application for doctor.

They just unable to handle it.

salmonela

well we centralise employment to help in recruitment but there is still a problem of allocation so there is still a need for some overlap.

Just apply thru mohh which is an organisation dedicated to recruit medical manpower but also apply to the hospital you are interested in so that we can then allocate you to the hospital.

For your info, this is not a separate incident. My friend email the HOD directly to get interview after waited for few months. Only those people who engaged through the recruitment team from Sg to Malaysia gone through the process smoothly.

There is might be problem with the channel of recruitment or the information/massage delivered.

Let’s just say that not everybody in Singapore believes in meritocracy.
There are those who are suspicious of foreign talents and think they steal jobs rather than create jobs

HI.
Thanx again to all of u.It is really interesting forum and really informative.I am thinking to make it as my home page.If some one can answer:
-Regarding cost of living and educational expances.
-Take home salary.
-Citizenship criteria.

Q1
http://www.xpatxperience.com/makingh...f_living.shtml

Q2
Depends on qualification and years of experience
Paed should be $10,000 - $15,000 per month which
is very high in Singapore.

Q3.
http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151
Eligibility

The following categories of foreigners are eligible to apply for permanent residence:

(a) Spouse and unmarried children (below 21 years old) of a Singapore Citizen
(SC)/SingaporePermanent Resident (SPR)
(b) Aged parents of a SC
(c) P, Q or S work pass holders
(d) Investors/Entrepreneurs

Foreigners residing overseas who are interested to study, work and live in Singapore may apply for in-principle approval for permanent residence by submitting an application through SMC Management Consultants Pte Ltd in Singapore provided they satisfy certain guidelines.

I think most of you have been masked from the reality. I’m a foreign grad and came to singapore as a MO. I totally aware of the issue of overworked and underpaid!!

Well, probably this article above is true if u are working for private sector, or a specialist. But in general, the medical sector in singapore is like a field of slavery. How many percent of us actually made it through to become a registrar/consultant? even if u made it, how many of u can get into the private sector?

Why concern on the total amount that you earn p.a? why not look at how many hours you work per week and count your pay per hour?? Believe it or not, our pay per hour is probably lesser than a nurses’ pay per hour.

How many of you who want to do medicine, full of enthusiasm, thinking that u might make big money out of medicine actually and realise how hard a medical doctor has to work? perhaps a lot of us are/were just way too naive…

Do you know what is on call? do you know how long does a call last for? and how much do u get out of a call??
The definition of ON CALL:
Start working from 7am - 5pm (your daily working hours), then continue from 5pm - 7am the next day (ON CALL); subsequently continue to work like any other day from 7am - 12pm…then you can go home if your colleague is around to cover your daily routine. Please count the number of hours that u have to work non-stop. You think you can take a nap at night when u are ON CALL? forget it!! And working for 30++ hours will give you how much in return??? SGD 110-130 (for HO) and SGD 240-340 (for MO)

Do you think this is physiological? Do you think this is safe for patients or your own health?
Do you think with a basic salary + call pay (taxable) that gives u SGD about 3800-4500 per month (before tax) is worth you spending millions to get the medical degree and work like a donkey for the next 10-20 years? How long do you have to work in order to pay back the amount that you’ve spent on your degree??

If you want to work as a doctor but VERY concern about your pay and increment, i suppose you are not suitable to be in the medical profession. Ask around and find out what is it like to be a doctor before you get yourself into the puddle of mud. If you ask me how many medical doctors actually regret of being a doctor.. i would say more than 80% of us DO regret of being one… not becoz the pay is low. Our welfare and wellbeing is just being ignored by the authority. Doctor is a very nobel profession, however it is also a very inhumane profession that will cause us more harm than good… we are human after all, we are not an immortal.. Even a domestic servant will get to have their meals, toilet breaks and adequate rest on a daily basis!! these are basic human needs!! So what are we??? we are slaves!!!!!

Wow, impressive comment!!!

I share the same concern. I am a bit hesitating of going to Sg partially due to the same factor. I met my friends who work as registrar in Sg one month ago and i found them more depress and not like before. They complained of over work round the clock and even during weekend.

I think my field suppose to be nice one but i heard that most of the doctors in the particular department work until 8-9pm at night, and they consider it normal… so …. i think my condition here is much more comfortable.

salmonela

To slave of medicine,
I think yr view is biased. You can choose a posting without call like polyclinic, accident and emergency, medical admin, health promotion board.

Since u are a foreign graduate, u can quit the public sector and work under supervision of a senior gp in the private gp sector like Raffles Medical Group, Parkway or Healthway.

Majority of our doctors are hardworking and work long hours to care for our subsidised patients. Unless you wish healthcare expenditure to increase, pay of doctors will have to be kept low
and those who are more interested in money rather than helping the poor and needy patients can work in the public hospitals

Working conditions of doctors are far from ideal and we are trying our best to recruit doctors to help take care of the aging population. Please dont forget that you were hired to ease the workload on local doctors.

To salmonela
The situation is improving as we are hiring more doctors to cover the shortfall. Most of the time, doctors stay behind to take care of their patients and they dont usually claim overtime meaning they feel morally obliged to take care of the poor and needy patients.

If you are concerned about the workload, should uou not then come over to Singapore to ease the workload of your friends and if possible bring more friends along to make life better?
Compared to our neighbours, we pay much more and offer equal opportunity to foreign talents to become specialists unlike most countries who favour their citizens.

Singapore is a meritocratic society and talented foreign talents are valued highly and are given equal opportunity to excel instead of being discriminated against like in UK, US or Australia.

I hope you are not affected by the biased view of slave of medicine. We reserve the right to discipline him/her should he/she continue to deter our efforts to recruit top foreign doctors to Singapore

Don’t take this personal ok. I am only referring to my friends’ experience. I am influenced by them mainly.

I thought my country spending on healthcare in term on GDP is way below WHO recommendation and now i know it is almost the same case in Sg.

I always think why Sg lacks of human resources in healthcare. I still finding the answer. Is that because Singaporean doesn’t like to become doctor due to poor working condition (like some of them in this forum said work in bank better), the recent fast growing health tourism, or not enough placement in medical school?

If it is because the first 2 points, slave of medicine has his point to ventilate his dissatisfaction.

I as a doctor, i don’t expect to become a millionaire with my profession. I can achieve that if i decided to overwork till i die. I believe in seeing patient without looking at profit but focus on what i can make a change to their life.

We have life outside hospital. I just want work life balance.

Salmonela