Stay or Go, Fresh Grad Seeking Advice

<<<doing document tracking and data entry (Is that what a project engineer really do?)>>>

why not man, get engineer pay for clerk work, I would love to do that for the rest of my life....simple job....

better than doing all sort of saikang "stressful" job that you dunno how to do....

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think your advice to not initiate such conversations and wait for boss to start is not a wise one. This would mean u are waiting for boss to realise you are too free and also asking TS to accept the situation and hope for the best. I am shocked that you advocate being reactive and HOPING that your boss has psychic powers to read your mind and talk about things that matter most to you?

You have mischaracterised my earlier advice to TS.

I never suggested anything about HOPING boss have psychic powers to read his mind. In fact my suggestion was for TS to wayang and give up the job while preserving political capital to buy time and leverage to look for other opportunities.

You are the one advising him to talk to his boss HOPING that somehow his boss will be understanding and make good use of his talent. I have listed down many real and actual risks and repercussions from taking such a route, you on the other hand have neither addressed them nor suggested any tangible measures he can take to mitigate the risks if they materialise.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You have mischaracterised my earlier advice to TS.

I never suggested anything about HOPING boss have psychic powers to read his mind. In fact my suggestion was for TS to wayang and give up the job while preserving political capital to buy time and leverage to look for other opportunities.

You are the one advising him to talk to his boss HOPING that somehow his boss will be understanding and make good use of his talent. I have listed down many real and actual risks and repercussions from taking such a route, you on the other hand have neither addressed them nor suggested any tangible measures he can take to mitigate the risks if they materialise.

Your advice:
[Quote] "My advice is do not initiate such conversations unless the boss is the one who starts an in-depth discussion on this subject first." [Unquote]

Isnt this equivalent to asking TS to accept the situation, HOPE for the best and HOPE that the boss KNOWS what his concerns are and talks to him about it? Even the boss has psychic powers and offers to talk to TS about the situation, isnt it too late because the boss already can tell and already know TS is too free all this while?

The reason I refused to address your likely scenerios directly is because they doesnt make sense to me and they give me a feeling that your scenerios generalise bosses as:
1) unforgiving if you dare to raise any concerns
2) sadistic in underhand tactics to force you to leave
3) only think of cost-cutting and replacing you at the next available chance
4) Low in EQ and thinks badly of employees

Indeed, if any of us have such bosses, we would be better off working somewhere. Which is why regarding my advice, I mentioned that it depends on boss, company culture, team dynamics, etc. It may be textbook to you but it worked for me and I hope it can work for others but I reiterate here now, it has to depend on boss, company culture and team dynamics. But pls do not generalise all bosses negatively. There are good ones as well as bad ones and you have to adjust your strategy accordingly.

Rather than trying to distract us by stating that I have mischaracterised your advice, I think you should re-look at yours in-depth because they are really bad in my view.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The reason I refused to address your likely scenerios directly is because they doesnt make sense to me and they give me a feeling that your scenerios generalise bosses as:
1) unforgiving if you dare to raise any concerns
2) sadistic in underhand tactics to force you to leave
3) only think of cost-cutting and replacing you at the next available chance
4) Low in EQ and thinks badly of employees

Yet another strawman.

We are talking about risks here, there are plenty of bad people out there. Experienced employees would have personally experienced or seen such cases occur frequently all the time. Office politics and back stabbing occur in most organizations, it is about acknowledging the risks and making a balanced assessment weighing on the chances of success before leaping in and going straight to the boss on such a sensitive topic.

You on the other hand made no mention of such corporate dangers to the freshie TS in your advice and simply brush it off as if it doesnt happen. First you accuse me of advising TS to just sit and hope, when I set out to disprove your assertions, you turn around now and switch the topic by throwing out yet another strawman that I was generalizing bosses as bad.

Indeed, if any of us have such bosses, we would be better off working somewhere. Which is why regarding my advice, I mentioned that it depends on boss, company culture, team dynamics, etc. It may be textbook to you but it worked for me and I hope it can work for others but I reiterate here now, it has to depend on boss, company culture and team dynamics. But pls do not generalise all bosses negatively. There are good ones as well as bad ones and you have to adjust your strategy accordingly.

There are good and bad people in this world. Some key undeniable facts work against the TS:

1) He is a freshie, very limited experience in corporate politics
2) He does not know his boss character well at all, only with him a couple of months
3) He is not aware of the organizational context and history in which his boss is operating in
4) Boss gave a very uncommittal answer for him to take it slow, this is strong indication that things are not what it seems

These circumstances highten the risk of him not being able to assess the situation and his boss's character accurately. You on the other hand give generic text book answer like "depend on boss, culture, dynamic". Until you are able to give him concrete pointers on how to make a good evaluation of his boss, culture and dynamic, this is useless sloganeering equivalent to the age old wisdom of "buy good stocks".

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yet another strawman.

We are talking about risks here, there are plenty of bad people out there. Experienced employees would have personally experienced or seen such cases occur frequently all the time. Office politics and back stabbing occur in most organizations, it is about acknowledging the risks and making a balanced assessment weighing on the chances of success before leaping in and going straight to the boss on such a sensitive topic.

You on the other hand made no mention of such corporate dangers to the freshie TS in your advice and simply brush it off as if it doesnt happen. First you accuse me of advising TS to just sit and hope, when I set out to disprove your assertions, you turn around now and switch the topic by throwing out yet another strawman that I was generalizing bosses as bad.



There are good and bad people in this world. Some key undeniable facts work against the TS:

1) He is a freshie, very limited experience in corporate politics
2) He does not know his boss character well at all, only with him a couple of months
3) He is not aware of the organizational context and history in which his boss is operating in
4) Boss gave a very uncommittal answer for him to take it slow, this is strong indication that things are not what it seems

These circumstances highten the risk of him not being able to assess the situation and his boss's character accurately. You on the other hand give generic text book answer like "depend on boss, culture, dynamic". Until you are able to give him concrete pointers on how to make a good evaluation of his boss, culture and dynamic, this is useless sloganeering equivalent to the age old wisdom of "buy good stocks".

Your reply clearly showed that you are a highly suspicious and negative person. And your 4 undeniable facts about TS as above is surprising! (are you his close friend, colleague or just plain delusional?)

I think its fair for TS to consider all view points, whether the super negative/doomsday as above or my so called "text book" answer.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Your reply clearly showed that you are a highly suspicious and negative person. And your 4 undeniable facts about TS as above is surprising! (are you his close friend, colleague or just plain delusional?)

I think its fair for TS to consider all view points, whether the super negative/doomsday as above or my so called "text book" answer.

Typical MLM style talk, cannot refute logic then start name calling people as being negative.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Typical MLM style talk, cannot refute logic then start name calling people as being negative.

haha, say whatever you like if that makes you happy.

I just cant refute illogical and delusional people.

Gosh you peeps are really childish