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09-10-2012, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Hey thanks for the reply.
Actually not really admin role ah.... yes, do have to do admin stuff, but like 20% of the time? Like when i got time than do...
Most of my past experience are like to do with projects...
- Did an employee survey for the company (pretty big FMCG firm...) the full works from design to analysis and presentation.
- At the banks did employee engagement projects, process streamlining and improvement, design workflow and BAU stuff....
- Currently i'm doing projects also... rolling out staff handbook for APAC region and improvement to L&D programmes and some coordination for training.
I'm sure those are not really admin work like printing and doing filing... haha...
For the role wise, i've yet to apply for any jobs... just asking like "what do you think" i should ask for?
Obviously i will nt apply for some simple HR admin job la... lol...
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I thought it was considered part of admin works. A HR firm business owner told me that he employed fresh grads to do these surveys/analysis/negotiations on top of really simple admin jobs like claims/records/typing etc. But he still consider them as admin staff to support his sale staff.
If he really needed pure simple "typists/filers", he would probably get hourly rated temps (e.g. students etc) instead of graduates, which is cheaper.
Last edited by cslee; 09-10-2012 at 05:51 PM.
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09-10-2012, 06:46 PM
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Wah... did i offend you? why do you sound offensive? Chill... i was just asking a simple question. Dont need to be so worked up...
Maybe the job titles dont do the work i've done justice... But thankfully i was able to get into roles that support SVP/VP level pple... maybe wasnt very clear i DIDNT run the whole show myself, i was involved in the team running it, some part i do take lead (as per instruction from my bosses, they mentor me...), some parts i support... basically team work, head is still boss... I thought of sparing the details, since there is no point explaining everything in detail.... we were in teams doing whatever i've mentioned.
Well, in all honesty, thank you for your feedback, i will be more prepared when people ask in the future... with the details and points to validate what ive done. And in my deference, i'm not trying to create an image.. for what? lol... nothing to lose here. just asking for a simple advice....
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Originally Posted by cross_heaven
These 2 postings by you contradict each other:
Post #1
Post #2
The jobs you claim you did are very much senior BP / specialist level while your previous experiences are all like temp diploma summer jobs - officer, admin assistant, recruiter, intern etc.
I can understand the need to exaggerate a little in your CV and job interviews, but my 2 cents advice is you better tone down on all these big words. Both your academic qualification and low level temp jobs do not support this super high flier strategic image you are trying to create, can end up quite embarrassing if you meet some guai lan interviewer who decide to tekan you.
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09-10-2012, 06:50 PM
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Wow thank for highlighting that... could it be just a choice of words for job titles? Nevertheless, its true most of these roles are called admin executives, admin assistant...
Lol... seems like my original qns kena flame.... hahaha... for those who have constructive feedback, do let me know... chap, have 1 plus year of experience in HR, priv uni grad, how much should i put as starting pay? thank you....
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Originally Posted by cslee
I thought it was considered part of admin works. A HR firm business owner told me that he employed fresh grads to do these surveys/analysis/negotiations on top of really simple admin jobs like claims/records/typing etc. But he still consider them as admin staff to support his sale staff.
If he really needed pure simple "typists/filers", he would probably get hourly rated temps (e.g. students etc) instead of graduates, which is cheaper.
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09-10-2012, 09:04 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Wow thank for highlighting that... could it be just a choice of words for job titles? Nevertheless, its true most of these roles are called admin executives, admin assistant...
Lol... seems like my original qns kena flame.... hahaha... for those who have constructive feedback, do let me know... chap, have 1 plus year of experience in HR, priv uni grad, how much should i put as starting pay? thank you....
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No one gives a damn hood on these fancy titles (e.g. headhunters, VP, SVP .... etc). At the end of the day, the persons who bring in the most revenue call the shots. 80-20 rule applies. 20% of the entire company bring in 80% of the revenues. If you want high salary and most recognition, you'll have to be in that category and not in some departments seen as "cost centres". And that's real commercial.
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10-10-2012, 09:18 AM
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Not surprising, HR usually get contractors to do all the admin work while the managers are busy playing politics and going around building up the company network.
It is a culture in most big companies to hire degree undergrads to run most of the management work like project driver, presentations, data analysis, resource planning, process optimization and board paper writing.
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10-10-2012, 10:04 AM
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actual job got nothing to do with official title.
it is very shallow to judge someone base on title. i can call a admin as svp means a svp job can also be call officer
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Originally Posted by cross_heaven
These 2 postings by you contradict each other:
Post #1
Post #2
The jobs you claim you did are very much senior BP / specialist level while your previous experiences are all like temp diploma summer jobs - officer, admin assistant, recruiter, intern etc.
I can understand the need to exaggerate a little in your CV and job interviews, but my 2 cents advice is you better tone down on all these big words. Both your academic qualification and low level temp jobs do not support this super high flier strategic image you are trying to create, can end up quite embarrassing if you meet some guai lan interviewer who decide to tekan you.
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10-10-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Wow thank for highlighting that... could it be just a choice of words for job titles? Nevertheless, its true most of these roles are called admin executives, admin assistant...
Lol... seems like my original qns kena flame.... hahaha... for those who have constructive feedback, do let me know... chap, have 1 plus year of experience in HR, priv uni grad, how much should i put as starting pay? thank you....
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Dont let those sceptical negative thinkers affect you, most likely they are condem in some dead end jobs and cannot understand how some people with less experience can do more senior level jobs than them.
If you have strong policy making and project management experience in temp or internship, most big company are willing to offer >3.2k. If you are joining MA program, it can reach also reach 4k.
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10-10-2012, 03:04 PM
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interns doing SVP job??? what garbage….
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10-10-2012, 03:18 PM
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Interns doing SVP level job - low chances but still possible if your SVP/even higher mgmt tasks u to do his/her work.
Interns being groomed for SVP role - especially possible if your dad/ mom/bro/sis/relative is someone 'big' but otherwise ...
Well, anything in life is possible!
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10-10-2012, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Interns doing SVP level job - low chances but still possible if your SVP/even higher mgmt tasks u to do his/her work.
Interns being groomed for SVP role - especially possible if your dad/ mom/bro/sis/relative is someone 'big' but otherwise ...
Well, anything in life is possible! |
Any experience worker knows most SVP don't want to do work and just delegate downwards to the managers. Managers delegate to execs and execs dump to interns / temps who are at the lowest food chain.
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