Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Not just that. The environment itself is another factor. Is your school well-staffed? Is your strength in an area without vacancies? Check with your RO if you are eligible to consider LH/SH or ST-ship. While they cannot tell you your CEP explicitly, they can at least tell you what their assessment of your readiness is.

If you really think you are ready, then take the courage for cross-level deployment or open posting to a school with needs and the vacancy.

It takes courage and ACTION on your part as well to change the status quo.

Thanks for the advice. After years of being a HOT, I feel tired and lack the courage and confidence to take up more responsibilities and find myself having a lot of contradicting thoughts about what I truly want from this job. I have children and the job does take me away from them. My school has many FAJTs and the number keep increasibg. Many teachers left full time teaching the last few years to the point FAJTs are asked to take up FTship (in lieu of a teaching class) while the KP estab has stayed stable and ST count increased. KPs do say there is a lot of work but they seem to be hanging on as they are SEOs after all.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks for the first line. Different perspective. I agree its better to rrach ceiling faster but it also takes out the motivation to work as you kinda know you cannot get an increment doing the same work. My school KPs by the way are all SEO. My SLs push them up fast so that they are motivated to work. That is why the KP estab is steady. Perhaps I need to sign up for Career Counselling to check what is it I truly want.

Yeah, understand your point about not having anymore room for increment after hitting the ceiling. We have to be careful with what we wish for, though.

HR might use this (if they haven't already) as a justification for slowing down promotions and shrinking increments so that the average officer can enjoy "more years of increments" before hitting the ceiling - which makes us all worse off.

It's much better for people to be able to hit the ceiling sooner than later, as it's all about the "area under the curve". Then after hitting the ceiling, or before, one can start thinking about where to go from there. Pursue higher appointment, or pursue some finer things in life like work-life balance :P

Originally Posted by Unregistered

lol what a joke that high CEP people cant even read and need to be spoonfed like that. Can u imagine they become your director or principal

i have long held the view cep recommendations are not done correctly. many hard working ppl i notice who are rewarded including KPs are actually dumb af and can’t do any strategic thinking much less figure things like this out!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks! It only says April (not indicated when in April)for the FLP and no exact amount is stated in the letter. As for the RA, it wasn't made known. That's the reason for asking. Would you care to enlighten? Thanks

Just a thought… if you know that the FLP payment is coming in by next month and you will thus be getting the answer really soon, was there much value in posing this question to a public forum?

Unless you're seriously in debt (…got declare or not?), I can't imagine why there's so much urgency…

Originally Posted by Unregistered

lol what a joke that high CEP people cant even read and need to be spoonfed like that. Can u imagine they become your director or principal

It begins from young, in school. The most efficient way to push a student to get good grades in exams is to just spoonfeed them only the useful information, without wasting time focusing on quality learning, self-directed learning and critical thinking. Just give them model answers to all the possible questions and topics. Who cares about training them to be resourceful? To be self-directed? To search for and curate information? Waste time: not even tested in national exams.

That's how you get people with excellent grades, score government scholarships with model portfolios and interview performances, but are just fking "street dumb" like that when they are finally tested in the working world.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yeah, understand your point about not having anymore room for increment after hitting the ceiling. We have to be careful with what we wish for, though.

HR might use this (if they haven't already) as a justification for slowing down promotions and shrinking increments so that the average officer can enjoy "more years of increments" before hitting the ceiling - which makes us all worse off.

It's much better for people to be able to hit the ceiling sooner than later, as it's all about the "area under the curve". Then after hitting the ceiling, or before, one can start thinking about where to go from there. Pursue higher appointment, or pursue some finer things in life like work-life balance :P

Aren't increments already reduced, and promotions already delayed?

And the saddest and most unfair outcome is that the young officers are bearing the consequences. Such complaints about GEO5s hitting their ceilings too early have already existed many years ago. There's even evidence documented in the intranet about their feedback.

That was why during COVID, all those people on top leapt at the opportunity to drastically slow things down. No wonder hardly anyone wants to get into this sector now.

To further prove these, everyone can crowd source data for your increment here next week to check.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Aren't increments already reduced, and promotions already delayed?

And the saddest and most unfair outcome is that the young officers are bearing the consequences. Such complaints about GEO5s hitting their ceilings too early have already existed many years ago. There's even evidence documented in the intranet about their feedback.

That was why during COVID, all those people on top leapt at the opportunity to drastically slow things down. No wonder hardly anyone wants to get into this sector now.

To further prove these, everyone can crowd source data for your increment here next week to check.

May I have the link to the evidence in the intranet? Someone ask me to wrtie to MCare but the link didnt work. I find it a bit nonsensical that the diff between geo4 and geo5 ceiling is like 250 ? It is just so nonsense. And I agree that people in the teaching sector (or govt sector even) are generally not very innovative pple, thats why we settle into the govt system and scared to venture out.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Aren't increments already reduced, and promotions already delayed?

And the saddest and most unfair outcome is that the young officers are bearing the consequences. Such complaints about GEO5s hitting their ceilings too early have already existed many years ago. There's even evidence documented in the intranet about their feedback.

That was why during COVID, all those people on top leapt at the opportunity to drastically slow things down. No wonder hardly anyone wants to get into this sector now.

To further prove these, everyone can crowd source data for your increment here next week to check.

I guess the original intent of such feedback was to try to get the ceiling pushed upwards. But teachers being teachers.. they forgot that such feedback is a double-edged sword, and we all ended up getting cut by the wrong edge.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It begins from young, in school. The most efficient way to push a student to get good grades in exams is to just spoonfeed them only the useful information, without wasting time focusing on quality learning, self-directed learning and critical thinking. Just give them model answers to all the possible questions and topics. Who cares about training them to be resourceful? To be self-directed? To search for and curate information? Waste time: not even tested in national exams.

That's how you get people with excellent grades, score government scholarships with model portfolios and interview performances, but are just fking "street dumb" like that when they are finally tested in the working world.

there are KPs and SLs who dont even know how to enlarge or shrink font, or open video file leg

are they really tested anyway? they still get their fat increments and bonuses anyway lor. just arrow other people to solve their problems for them lor

Originally Posted by Unregistered

there are KPs and SLs who dont even know how to enlarge or shrink font, or open video file leg

are they really tested anyway? they still get their fat increments and bonuses anyway lor. just arrow other people to solve their problems for them lor

but to be fair these are not core management competencies. it’s even worse in private sector esp large firms where bosses have minions doing things for them