Working culture @ IDA

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just to clarify, when I say AD and DD etc. means internal real title across most stat boards & public organizations, not external inflated titles like MTI.

I can’t remember precisely, but I know DD is around 8k – 11k and AD 6.5k – 9k. Actually not bad lar, if you go private sector most people will also hit ceiling at around that level, some might not even break the 10k mark in their whole careers. Bankers take up <1% of working population, cannot everything compare with banks, must look at normal career in MNC better benchmark.

There are some very rare case got non-scholar hit D level (start of superscale), but really very exceptional.

got to agree with you on this. AD for ministries or admin service is an inflated title for entry level graduate position. anyway, IDA like most statutory boards is all about kissing ass than getting the work done. can cruise in a place like this for years until retirement.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just to clarify, when I say AD and DD etc. means internal real title across most stat boards & public organizations, not external inflated titles like MTI.

I can’t remember precisely, but I know DD is around 8k – 11k and AD 6.5k – 9k. Actually not bad lar, if you go private sector most people will also hit ceiling at around that level, some might not even break the 10k mark in their whole careers. Bankers take up <1% of working population, cannot everything compare with banks, must look at normal career in MNC better benchmark.

There are some very rare case got non-scholar hit D level (start of superscale), but really very exceptional.

Thanks for your inputs. It has been very helpful. I am referring to internal titles as well. Its interesting to see an AD pay scale starting lower than the senior manager. I expect some over lap between senior mgr and AD, but I expect the over lap to take place at the higher band of 8k. Were you working @ IDA before or currently. I haven;t quite got to understand the "auntie culture" could you share a bit more.

Will they hawk eye who comes 5-10mins after 8.30am for work, leaves 5-10mins early before 6pm. I terribly hate this kind of micro mgt.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just to clarify, when I say AD and DD etc. means internal real title across most stat boards & public organizations, not external inflated titles like MTI.

I can’t remember precisely, but I know DD is around 8k – 11k and AD 6.5k – 9k. Actually not bad lar, if you go private sector most people will also hit ceiling at around that level, some might not even break the 10k mark in their whole careers. Bankers take up <1% of working population, cannot everything compare with banks, must look at normal career in MNC better benchmark.

There are some very rare case got non-scholar hit D level (start of superscale), but really very exceptional.

If I am not wrong, entry AD is starts from about >=6K, entry DD starts from >=7K.

sorry wat is AD and DD means?

Assistant Director / Deputy Director ?

What is usual pay range for Senior manager in IDA ?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

sorry wat is AD and DD means?

Assistant Director / Deputy Director ?

What is usual pay range for Senior manager in IDA ?

My estimate is 100k pa incl bonus.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

My estimate is 100k pa incl bonus.

thanks. Is that based on an estimate of 4 or 3 months VB ?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

got to agree with you on this. AD for ministries or admin service is an inflated title for entry level graduate position. anyway, IDA like most statutory boards is all about kissing ass than getting the work done. can cruise in a place like this for years until retirement.

I've come across several IDA name cards with title of "Assistant Director", "Deputy Director" and "Senior Director", are they inflated or real titles? I can find scores of them on LinkedIn!

Originally Posted by rarashow

Thanks for your inputs. It has been very helpful. I am referring to internal titles as well. Its interesting to see an AD pay scale starting lower than the senior manager. I expect some over lap between senior mgr and AD, but I expect the over lap to take place at the higher band of 8k. Were you working @ IDA before or currently. I haven;t quite got to understand the "auntie culture" could you share a bit more.

Will they hawk eye who comes 5-10mins after 8.30am for work, leaves 5-10mins early before 6pm. I terribly hate this kind of micro mgt.

The range is roughly like I stated earlier, but if you want precise number I really can’t recall, sorry.

IDA is an interesting org in the sense that there is 2 sub cultures. First and biggest group is of course the “aunties”, these are long serving people who make up the bulk of population. Whether they are directors, managers, officers, attitude about the same, no innovation, relax, everything SOP cannot change, like to pull seniority, regard any talk on market best practice with disgust etc.

IDA also recruit a lot of mid-careers from pte sector compared to other stat boards, so occasionally there will be some new director or manager who come in with drive to change, attempt to whip the old birds into shape etc. but they never succeed. They either stay and transform to the old bird group or get out rejoin pte sector.

By and large the culture is slow, dull, not receptive to change, but occasionally you might get a siow on boss but his / her “on-nees” wont last >1 year.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The range is roughly like I stated earlier, but if you want precise number I really can’t recall, sorry.

IDA is an interesting org in the sense that there is 2 sub cultures. First and biggest group is of course the “aunties”, these are long serving people who make up the bulk of population. Whether they are directors, managers, officers, attitude about the same, no innovation, relax, everything SOP cannot change, like to pull seniority, regard any talk on market best practice with disgust etc.

IDA also recruit a lot of mid-careers from pte sector compared to other stat boards, so occasionally there will be some new director or manager who come in with drive to change, attempt to whip the old birds into shape etc. but they never succeed. They either stay and transform to the old bird group or get out rejoin pte sector.

By and large the culture is slow, dull, not receptive to change, but occasionally you might get a siow on boss but his / her “on-nees” wont last >1 year.

Isn't the same for other govt agencies as well?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

My estimate is 100k pa incl bonus.

Entry Senior Manager (non technical) is about 80k plus, similar to an IDA Senior Consultant (technical). More experienced Senior Manager can command 90k plus - about 100k.