SIM-UOL fresh grad starting pay

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Being a fresh grad "manager" is low already, many stat boards are offering "assistant director" for fresh grads now, while foregin banks are going for "assistant vice president" as a start. Anyway it's just fake name card titles, cost nothing to companies.

My personal observation is many of these grads who take parents money to set up company have no clue how to do business. Many are just blindly venturing into F&B/retailing or online shopping. Most of them fail after a year and they are back looking for jobs after that.

exactly, so when reputable companies with smaller titles like exec, snr exec, analyst etc advertise they find it hard to fill the positions.

no comments about the young entrepreneurs, some are genuinely successful too...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Being a fresh grad "manager" is low already, many stat boards are offering "assistant director" for fresh grads now, while foregin banks are going for "assistant vice president" as a start. Anyway it's just fake name card titles, cost nothing to companies.

My personal observation is many of these grads who take parents money to set up company have no clue how to do business. Many are just blindly venturing into F&B/retailing or online shopping. Most of them fail after a year and they are back looking for jobs after that.

For public sector yes...some of my friends already being given the job title of managers. I didn't know banks give fresh grads AVP titles as well.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i know u have no idea what you are talking about.. i am pretty sure you are not from sim-uol..LSE wont be giving post grad scholarships to sim-uol grads if they "study fking little" compared to local uni.. hahah what a fool-thinking local grads are better..

Doesn't hurt for them to give scholarships to quality students. But do we qualify? Yes there's a chance, but you know it. We study too little.

We only have LSE. Local uni got everything, MIT, harvard, cambridge, LSE. You name it, they have it. A significant number of local unis went on to do PHDs in ivy. SIM? Maybe one and they blow your face to a enormous poster.

Stop deluding yourself. SIM really is inferior in many ways. Depth, yes we are inferior. Breath? Yes too, just look at what they study in their course, it's crazy. And every module is more than what we do. Honestly, stop deluding yourself. When it comes to book smarts, we can't win.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Doesn't hurt for them to give scholarships to quality students. But do we qualify? Yes there's a chance, but you know it. We study too little.

We only have LSE. Local uni got everything, MIT, harvard, cambridge, LSE. You name it, they have it. A significant number of local unis went on to do PHDs in ivy. SIM? Maybe one and they blow your face to a enormous poster.

Stop deluding yourself. SIM really is inferior in many ways. Depth, yes we are inferior. Breath? Yes too, just look at what they study in their course, it's crazy. And every module is more than what we do. Honestly, stop deluding yourself. When it comes to book smarts, we can't win.

in essence what u said is true, but no need to keep emphasizing YOUR inferiority. with this kind of attitude u will get nowhere.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Being a fresh grad "manager" is low already, many stat boards are offering "assistant director" for fresh grads now, while foregin banks are going for "assistant vice president" as a start. Anyway it's just fake name card titles, cost nothing to companies.

My personal observation is many of these grads who take parents money to set up company have no clue how to do business. Many are just blindly venturing into F&B/retailing or online shopping. Most of them fail after a year and they are back looking for jobs after that.

Many foreign banks? Assistant vice president?

Thomas Leung | LinkedIn

Harvard, MBA. Took two years to become associate (one rank lower than assistant vice president). Morgan Stanley.

You must be better than a Harvard MBA.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

in essence what u said is true, but no need to keep emphasizing YOUR inferiority. with this kind of attitude u will get nowhere.

Am i expressing inferiority or doing a fair comparison?

I think i'm doing the latter, but if you perceive it as a former, i have nothing to say.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes...I second that. Although there might be those who are just book smart and cannot work. But from my past experience, I indeed feel that most local grads are really of higher calibre than uol grads in terms of the way they express themselves and their efficiency. They might not be very smart...but definitely having better analytical ability. I dun mean uol grads are no good, but most that I have seen thus far are really just average and sometimes you really would wonder if they are really graduates.

As a SIM UOL student, i agree with this. Sometimes, i do regret not retaking my A level. As a SIM student, all i can do now is to work hard and enroll for Masters at a reputable uni. At times, i would feel ashamed too.

Since sg is a meritocratic society, i do believe SIM students still stand a chance. Well, it doesnt mean that ppl from local uni will not face any setbacks and get high pay upon graduation. Companies recruit talent from around the world. Sg graduates no longer compete with their fellow peers but with those graduates all around the world and whether SIM graduates succeed or not; depend on the individual.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Since sg is a meritocratic society, i do believe SIM students still stand a chance. Well, it doesnt mean that ppl from local uni will not face any setbacks and get high pay upon graduation. Companies recruit talent from around the world. Sg graduates no longer compete with their fellow peers but with those graduates all around the world and whether SIM graduates succeed or not; depend on the individual.

please, meritocracy is something that the elites tell the masses to give them hope. there is still an elitist mentality in stat boards, ministries and even some TLC companies. i think the culture is still deeply ingrained since much of their management were from the Admin service or generals or scholars themselves.

any uni got good n lousy ppl, important thing is make sure you the good one. dun understand why ppl like to waste time debating nonsense like which uni 'average' student better