Jobless for a long long time

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Lol... disconnected dumbass.

Exactly. I'm sure he/she is not the only one.

not sure how this post went from a jobless guy to a degree-diploma debate. Who cares. if the diploma can make the manager's life easier , of course he will promote diploma holder. If got degree holder do more screw ups than diploma holder, why should the deg holder be promoted.

but dip holder can only go to certain rank. then boss no choice to stop promoting the dip holder unless he/she go for deg . boss then look for the next best worker who can make his life easier. If the next best worker has deg cert, can go higher rank. If again is dip holder , stuck to a certain rank.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

not sure how this post went from a jobless guy to a degree-diploma debate. Who cares. if the diploma can make the manager's life easier , of course he will promote diploma holder. If got degree holder do more screw ups than diploma holder, why should the deg holder be promoted.

but dip holder can only go to certain rank. then boss no choice to stop promoting the dip holder unless he/she go for deg . boss then look for the next best worker who can make his life easier. If the next best worker has deg cert, can go higher rank. If again is dip holder , stuck to a certain rank.

This only works in GLC. In the real world of MNC, the value you add speaks regardless of your paper qualifications. Diploma holders can become managers and degree holders get stuck if they can't provide the money's worth. There is no system to limit their potential base on paper qualifications. that's just plain stupid, why do you want to create a system to limit talent and clip wings?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

not sure how this post went from a jobless guy to a degree-diploma debate. Who cares. if the diploma can make the manager's life easier , of course he will promote diploma holder. If got degree holder do more screw ups than diploma holder, why should the deg holder be promoted.

but dip holder can only go to certain rank. then boss no choice to stop promoting the dip holder unless he/she go for deg . boss then look for the next best worker who can make his life easier. If the next best worker has deg cert, can go higher rank. If again is dip holder , stuck to a certain rank.

It's not about who cares. You put in more effort last time, you reap your reward now. That's life. If you don't, that's also life.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This only works in GLC. In the real world of MNC, the value you add speaks regardless of your paper qualifications. Diploma holders can become managers and degree holders get stuck if they can't provide the money's worth. There is no system to limit their potential base on paper qualifications. that's just plain stupid, why do you want to create a system to limit talent and clip wings?

i wish i have the answers to your question. For that you need to ask those at GLC i guess . hahaha

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i wish i have the answers to your question. For that you need to ask those at GLC i guess . hahaha

That's because in the 60s and 70s with a less educated population, paper qualification becomes the only effective measure of competence. So this idea worked during those period. But as decades went by, information reaches the digital age, variety of education increases, industries experience shifts again and again. Paper qualifications is no longer the only method of determining competence. Professional certificates, objectives driven performance indicators, advanced efficient management of resources, competition all come into the equation. But the chronic problem of passive thinking continue to plague government sectors and Government linked companies. The act of thought deferment to the next higher rank can damage the route for continual improvement. Insularity of job security adds on top the complacency so this idea remains. That's why you often hear about people encouraging the toxic idea of accepting status quo rather than improvement, questioning diligence and innovation rather than encouraging them. The MNCs on the other hand faces real competition daily. You get ousted if you don't transform and catch up (nokia and kodak are good examples). So they are on their toes daily ready to take your market share at the slightest opportunity. Also, without the protection of a thick resource drawn from the country, every cent counts, every project matters. This drives the employees to do well and prosper or screw up and lose out. With an open market, anyone who can contribute moves up. That paper is meant to help you do better, not a guarantee to be better. If you don't have that paper, there are other avenues to meet the same objective too. Whatever it takes to meet the target.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That's because in the 60s and 70s with a less educated population, paper qualification becomes the only effective measure of competence. So this idea worked during those period. But as decades went by, information reaches the digital age, variety of education increases, industries experience shifts again and again. Paper qualifications is no longer the only method of determining competence. Professional certificates, objectives driven performance indicators, advanced efficient management of resources, competition all come into the equation. But the chronic problem of passive thinking continue to plague government sectors and Government linked companies. The act of thought deferment to the next higher rank can damage the route for continual improvement. Insularity of job security adds on top the complacency so this idea remains. That's why you often hear about people encouraging the toxic idea of accepting status quo rather than improvement, questioning diligence and innovation rather than encouraging them. The MNCs on the other hand faces real competition daily. You get ousted if you don't transform and catch up (nokia and kodak are good examples). So they are on their toes daily ready to take your market share at the slightest opportunity. Also, without the protection of a thick resource drawn from the country, every cent counts, every project matters. This drives the employees to do well and prosper or screw up and lose out. With an open market, anyone who can contribute moves up. That paper is meant to help you do better, not a guarantee to be better. If you don't have that paper, there are other avenues to meet the same objective too. Whatever it takes to meet the target.

Extremely hard to make ppl who work in gov sector understand the kind of stress and competition that ppl in MNC have to face daily competing with so many FT

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Extremely hard to make ppl who work in gov sector understand the kind of stress and competition that ppl in MNC have to face daily competing with so many FT

yeah im working at mnc. alot FTs. seems like so little locals. They are quick to do work. making me pressured everyday. i regret joining into mnc after graduation.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

yeah im working at mnc. alot FTs. seems like so little locals. They are quick to do work. making me pressured everyday. i regret joining into mnc after graduation.

I work in a German MNC and feels OK. Was in a GLC more than 10 years ago but its ways never connected with me. The MNC pressure and pace is there. Many FTs from around the world, but the multi cultural and nationality environment also gave me exposure. I have travelled many times over the years before covid to US, Europe, China and Japan for work before. Even though I have only a Diploma, but like that poster earlier, anything goes , as long as I create value. The keyword is value add but I would also like to add a point he/she missed out, and that's the ability to recognize opportunities and use it, the willingness to be better than your competitors and have good teamwork spirit with your colleagues. I also promote people in my department base on opportunities available and their performance. Degree or not is irrelevant but specific professional certificates relevant to specific jobs will be helpful (I don't hire fresh grads) if they are able to provide what we are looking for.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's not about who cares. You put in more effort last time, you reap your reward now. That's life. If you don't, that's also life.

Who cares if you put in more effort last time. Its your effort now that counts. Even if you have no degree or diploma but you put in alot of effort to make your hiring managers life easier as compared to a degree holder, you will still be promoted. That is the way it should be. Nobody cares if you only put in effort to get that degree. In fact nobody cares about your degree once you are in the company.