Jobless for a long long time

Originally Posted by Unregistered

tell me you never work in a government agency before. LOL, I am from there and I can tell you we do have a degree reporting to a diploma, yes, the diploma will be stuck at a certain level but a degree doesn't give you a route to promotion either. better wake up your ideas huh. I hold a Master degree and I report to someone who has an irrelevant degree but so what right? and what's the big deal about degree can't drive grab? based on your attitude and mindset, how to get a job right, better to drive grab so you are in charge of yourself? The reality is, you are now jobless and stop thinking about getting a WFH job dude! Everyone will go back to the office one day. LOL!

seems like many degree holders do grab from what i heard. its a norm. its better to have an income than waiting at home with a degree that collects dust.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

seems like many degree holders do grab from what i heard. its a norm. its better to have an income than waiting at home with a degree that collects dust.

the longer you are jobless, the less bargaining power you have in your job finding. i hope the OP understands this fact. all education cert has an expiry date. i have seen degree holders been offered a job that normally gives to a diploma graduate only and the reason is simply that the degree holder has been jobless for too long and HR is not confident of that person is able to perform a job. To make it worse, if you stayed home the rest of the time and not looking or doing something like upgrading yourself, your resume usually lands in the bin. beggars can't be choosers

A degree is not a must to demonstrate value, it obviously is just a cert.
But many mnc like the place I work in (i.e. F100) will place degree holders on management track and diploma on non management track.

There is a clear gap, even if how far you go is still up to your value add

i thought im in a degree vs diploma thread instead lol

more like jobless degree vs jobless diploma

Originally Posted by Unregistered

A degree is not a must to demonstrate value, it obviously is just a cert.
But many mnc like the place I work in (i.e. F100) will place degree holders on management track and diploma on non management track.

There is a clear gap, even if how far you go is still up to your value add

In mnc, you don't have a 'track'. That is for GLC. Because businesses and changes are volatile in MNC. Your KPI last year changes with the global environment. Those who keep up to it gets ahead and there must be opportunities usually vacated by leaving or retiring staffs. Even mgmt trainees get asked to go before they reach their so called promised positions during difficult times or restructuring because there is simply no track. The 'gap' is dependent on value adding and opportunities available not your paper qualifications.

So I'm very sure. You don't work for MNCs.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In mnc, you don't have a 'track'. That is for GLC. Because businesses and changes are volatile in MNC. Your KPI last year changes with the global environment. Those who keep up to it gets ahead and there must be opportunities usually vacated by leaving or retiring staffs. Even mgmt trainees get asked to go before they reach their so called promised positions during difficult times or restructuring because there is simply no track. The 'gap' is dependent on value adding and opportunities available not your paper qualifications.

So I'm very sure. You don't work for MNCs.

No track was why I resigned from that mnc job. The promotion track should always be set clearly and promotions for degree holders should always be faster and higher than diploma holders regardless of their value add. So work performance should never be a factor for consideration between a degree holder or diploma holder when promoting. Degree holders should never report to diploma holders. Period.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This kind confirm last time never study one LOL

Certain position degree means nuts. E.g. sales. Who cares if you have a masters but can't sell? I'd take the no degree person who can sell and pay him/her a huge salary anytime. As long as they can bring in the numbers.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In mnc, you don't have a 'track'. That is for GLC. Because businesses and changes are volatile in MNC. Your KPI last year changes with the global environment. Those who keep up to it gets ahead and there must be opportunities usually vacated by leaving or retiring staffs. Even mgmt trainees get asked to go before they reach their so called promised positions during difficult times or restructuring because there is simply no track. The 'gap' is dependent on value adding and opportunities available not your paper qualifications.

So I'm very sure. You don't work for MNCs.

Alot of people here still subscribe to the old school of thoughts thinking a degree will give them an advantage in MNC jobs. And then sulk on public forum when they can't get in an MNC. Keep telling themselves they have a degree therefore they should be handed the MMC position. I loled

In reality the degree only gets you into your first job. After that experience counts more than a piece of paper. Connections and network get you places. Not that piece of paper

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Certain position degree means nuts. E.g. sales. Who cares if you have a masters but can't sell? I'd take the no degree person who can sell and pay him/her a huge salary anytime. As long as they can bring in the numbers.

Problem is no degree is most of the time buay kan.