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Old 28-02-2020, 06:31 PM
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ok boomer. is your unicorn profitable?? you can pay 10k/mo but close shop like uber or make 900mil in losses in 2019 like sea group, what's the point?
We are talking about individuals not corporations. Starting salary and the brand name of a unicorn makes a huge difference for your later career - i thought you would be smart enough to know that

Join these tech companies then hop to FAANG later la - get huge salary increase. Do u know how many CS people FAANG takes from unicorn companies?

Thats beside the point anyway - even big companies like like DBS pay its CS people way more on average than the median biz student.

3rd class CS go into DBS SEED programme alr easy 4.2k. I see you 3rd class finance go where.

Anyway you no industry experience dont come here talk pls, sounds like you're an average dude who have no idea about career progression or the tech industry

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We are talking about individuals not corporations. Starting salary and the brand name of a unicorn makes a huge difference for your later career - i thought you would be smart enough to know that

Join these tech companies then hop to FAANG later la - get huge salary increase. Do u know how many CS people FAANG takes from unicorn companies?

Thats beside the point anyway - even big companies like like DBS pay its CS people way more on average than the median biz student.

3rd class CS go into DBS SEED programme alr easy 4.2k. I see you 3rd class finance go where.

Anyway you no industry experience dont come here talk pls, sounds like you're an average dude who have no idea about career progression or the tech industry

aiseh industry experience much, very boomer.
india and china can code cheaper than you guys. CS big fk?
you so good why not in FAANG wor? HAHA



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aiseh industry experience much, very boomer.
india and china can code cheaper than you guys. CS big fk?
you so good why not in FAANG wor? HAHA
Doesn't matter if people from other countries can "code cheaper" than us. At the end of the day, CS grads are paid more than most others - you can check the employment survey yourself if you need some kind of gauge. If you make it into FAANG, even better. Of course, medicine and IB are in a different league, that one everybody knows, so no surprises there.

Judging by your reaction, looks like he really hit the nail with the comparison of CS and finance grads. Guess we know which faculty you were from...



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aiseh industry experience much, very boomer.
india and china can code cheaper than you guys. CS big fk?
you so good why not in FAANG wor? HAHA
The good ones from India/china also know their worth...

They come to Singapore to make big bucks and have better opportunity

Fresh grad from NIT, IIT join these companies and make 5k+ starting pay still

And why companies wont hire them and meet their demands? They do the job well, can code better than our locals
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Not sure where everyone gets their info, but pay in CS isn't so much by your class of honors but by your ability to game the interviews. That itself is another bag of worms. The pay range is correct though. There's something like a double median distribution, one for tier 1 firms like google & other tech giants, another for tier 2 firms like grab, shopee. Then there's tier 3 that's probably DBS, ST & the like. There's also gov or statboard jobs but those pay somewhere around tier 2, but with engineering culture from 3. Tier 1 should be paying 6-8k, tier 2, 5-7k.

The culture and pay varies from firm to firm, so hard to say conclusively. These things do matter though.. amount of OT, traveling distance, engineering culture, job scope, really affect the actual amount of hours you put into your job.
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My bad, 'bimodal distribution' is the right term.


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Not sure where everyone gets their info, but pay in CS isn't so much by your class of honors but by your ability to game the interviews. That itself is another bag of worms. The pay range is correct though. There's something like a double median distribution, one for tier 1 firms like google & other tech giants, another for tier 2 firms like grab, shopee. Then there's tier 3 that's probably DBS, ST & the like. There's also gov or statboard jobs but those pay somewhere around tier 2, but with engineering culture from 3. Tier 1 should be paying 6-8k, tier 2, 5-7k.

The culture and pay varies from firm to firm, so hard to say conclusively. These things do matter though.. amount of OT, traveling distance, engineering culture, job scope, really affect the actual amount of hours you put into your job.
"There's also gov or statboard jobs but those pay somewhere around tier 2... tier 2, 5-7k". Govt highest for fresh grads ~5k. You'll need to work a few years in those entities to see even 6xxx. I would band those with tier 3 (DBS, ST etc) where the range is from 3.5-5k.
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My bad, 'bimodal distribution' is the right term.
all degrees are good degrees
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Not sure where everyone gets their info, but pay in CS isn't so much by your class of honors but by your ability to game the interviews. That itself is another bag of worms. The pay range is correct though. There's something like a double median distribution, one for tier 1 firms like google & other tech giants, another for tier 2 firms like grab, shopee. Then there's tier 3 that's probably DBS, ST & the like. There's also gov or statboard jobs but those pay somewhere around tier 2, but with engineering culture from 3. Tier 1 should be paying 6-8k, tier 2, 5-7k.

The culture and pay varies from firm to firm, so hard to say conclusively. These things do matter though.. amount of OT, traveling distance, engineering culture, job scope, really affect the actual amount of hours you put into your job.
Govt or statboard don't pay near tier 2 (if tier 2 is 5-7k). They pay more of 3.8-5k.
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screw off tech and business.

liberal arts is the best ROI

NUS Bachelor of Science with Honours (Yale-NUS) $7,139 ($9,967)
NTU Medicine $5,661 ($6,092)
NUS Bachelor of Computing (Computer Science) $5,571 ($5,585)
SMU Law (4-year) Cum Laude and above $5,324 ($6,000)
NUS Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery $5,218 ($5,657)
SMU Information Systems (4-year) Cum Laude and above $5,212 ($5,550)
NUS Bachelor of Laws $5,160 ($5,800)
SMU Law (4-year) $5,064 ($5,800)
NUS Bachelor of Business Administration $4,925 ($5,500)
NUS Bachelor of Science (Business Analytics) $4,881 ($5,200)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Computer Engineering) $4,732 ($4,900)
SMU Business Management (4-year) Cum Laude and above $4,614 ($5,120)
NUS Bachelor of Business Administration (Hons) $4,593 ($5,000)
NTU Business and Computing $4,562 ($5,000)
SMU Information Systems (4-year) $4,549 ($5,000)
SMU Economics (4-year) Cum Laude and above $4,520 ($4,600)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Industrial and Systems Engineering) $4,451 ($4,600)
SMU Accountancy (4-year) Cum Laude and above $4,431 ($5,000)
NTU Accountancy and Business $4,359 ($4,600)
NUS Bachelor of Computing (Information Systems) $4,330 ($4,685)
NTU Computer Science $4,309 ($4,900)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Engineering Science)* $4,285 ($5,200)
NUS Bachelor of Arts (Architecture)6 $4,199 ($4,500)
NUS Bachelor of Arts with Honours (Yale-NUS) $4,197 ($4,567)
SMU Business Management (4-year) $4,181 ($4,600)
SMU Economics (4-year) $4,159 ($4,500)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Electrical Engineering) $4,101 ($4,600)
NUS Bachelor of Business Administration (Accountancy) (Hons) $4,093 ($4,500)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Materials Science and Engineering) $4,086 ($4,600)
NTU Computer Engineering $4,074 ($4,500)
NUS Bachelor of Dental Surgery $4,068 ($4,500)
NTU Information Engineering and Media $4,006 ($4,350)
NUS Bachelor of Business Administration (Accountancy) $4,005 ($3,800)
NTU Mathematics & Economics $3,996 ($4,167)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Chemical Engineering) $3,959 ($4,300)
NTU Aerospace Engineering $3,939 ($4,600)
NTU Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering $3,921 ($4,300)
NTU Electrical and Electronic Engineering $3,884 ($4,000)
NTU Public Policy And Global Affairs $3,868 ($4,345)
NTU Physics & Applied Physics $3,849 ($4,200)
NTU Mathematical Sciences $3,848 ($4,070)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Mechanical Engineering) $3,847 ($4,300)
NUS Bachelor of Science (Pharmacy) $3,840 ($4,000)
NTU Materials Engineering $3,817 ($4,175)
SMU Accountancy (4-year) $3,802 ($4,000)
NTU Business $3,797 ($4,000)
NTU Science (with Education) $3,758 ($3,840)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Civil Engineering) $3,746 ($4,025)
SMU Social Sciences (4-year) Cum Laude and above $3,742 ($4,070)
NTU Mechanical Engineering $3,728 ($4,005)
SUSS Bachelor of Science in Finance $3,722 ($3,750)
NTU Arts (with Education) $3,710 ($3,806)
NUS Bachelor of Social Sciences $3,674 ($3,850)
NTU Maritime Studies $3,669 ($3,700)
SMU Social Sciences (4-year) $3,629 ($4,000)
NUS Bachelor of Science (Nursing) (Hons) $3,612 ($3,750)
NUS Bachelor of Science (Hons) $3,605 ($3,800)
NTU Environmental Engineering $3,596 ($3,800)
NTU Civil Engineering $3,582 ($3,900)
NUS Bachelor of Music $3,575 ($3,900)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Environmental Engineering) $3,569 ($3,900)
NTU Bioengineering $3,548 ($3,700)
NUS Bachelor of Arts (Hons) $3,537 ($3,800)
NUS Bachelor of Engineering (Biomedical Engineering) $3,535 ($3,800)
NTU Psychology $3,506 ($3,800)
NTU History $3,498 ($3,800)
NUS Bachelor of Science (Real Estate) $3,494 ($3,650)
NUS Bachelor of Arts $3,456 ($3,700)
NTU Economics $3,453 ($3,600)
NTU Biological Sciences $3,450 ($3,600)
NTU Sociology $3,441 ($3,600)
NTU Sports Science and Management $3,438 ($3,660)
NTU Environmental Earth Systems Sciences $3,416 ($3,500)
NTU Philosophy* $3,369 ($3,584)
NTU Linguistics And Multilingual Studies $3,365 ($3,740)
NTU Chemistry & Biological Chemistry $3,338 ($3,600)
NUS Bachelor of Environmental Studies $3,332 ($3,600)
NUS Bachelor of Science $3,320 ($3,600)
NUS Bachelor of Science (Nursing) $3,314 ($3,450)
NTU Communication Studies $3,264 ($3,500)
NTU Chinese $3,260 ($3,500)
NTU Accountancy $3,254 ($3,200)
NUS Bachelor of Arts (Industrial Design) $3,245 ($3,500)
NUS Bachelor of Science (Project and Facilities Management) $3,243 ($3,480)
SUSS Bachelor of Science in Marketing $3,169 ($3,400)
NTU Art, Design & Media $3,068 ($3,500)
NTU English $2,997 ($3,500)
NTU Biomedical Sciences & Chinese Medicine $2,979 ($3,200)
SUSS Bachelor of Human Resource Management $2,975 ($3,300)
SUSS Bachelor of Accountancy $2,900 ($3,000)

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