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Old 15-09-2010, 03:38 PM
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Judging from what I read here, it seems like the civil service is way OVERPAID.

For doing the same things in the private sector, you probably get at least $1000 less.

Everything is about educational qualifications for civil service. One stupid guy I know of with a Masters from Princeton cannot even do basic jobs, yet he is paid like CRAZY. Somemore, he has zero experience in the private sector. After Masters degree completion, he is assign heavy assignments already without having to prove himself professionally. And it's he's FIRST JOB.



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Was deciding to join the marine industry on civil service.. seems like civil services is a better choice after all.

Marine industry offer 2400 to 2600..

Civil service starting pay is about 3100-3700 already...
That's right. Fresh graduates from Universities can get this kind of pay already. They don't even need to prove themselves professionally first. Academically, yes, they have proven themselves.

But, work is work. Study is study.

They are two DIFFERENT things that should not be tied together.

We should not be like China (or are we turning into one ?) and look upon academically-inclined people as gods who knows the solutions to everything.

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I am drawing $6k per month (w/o bonus included).My total compensation for last year was $90k.Not a great salary by any means but I try to live a simple lifestyle to compensate for my low salary e.g. live in a one room HDB flat & do not own a car or any expensive hobbies.I guess I am still able to cope.As for HODs,they earn more than the $100k that you quoted.For example a HOD with 10 years of experience draws $7k monthly excluding bonuses.Some non HOD teachers that I personally know of with 9-10 years of experience drew approximately $108k last year including bonuses.
But if you ask any teacher about the greatest challenges that he or she faces,it is usually never about the salary or monetary compensation.But for me sometimes I do feel discouraged especially my former classmates in school working as top lawyers or doctors or bankers command monthly salaries of more than 10 times my monthly pay.I guess it was a choice I made and no one forced me to be a teacher in the 1st place right?
You are already very lucky. Try making in the private sector as a REAL professional.

But then again, what can an ex-teacher do in a private sector?

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ya, the bonus is more or less that way, of cos depending on which year, some years good performance, some years ok only.

but on average 4 months should be the normal. (1.5 months for C grader, mid year 0.5 mth, end of year 2 months,inclusive 13th mth)

so my question is for a 33 yr old male, working in government school, with a 2nd upper hon degree, is the pay $5800 ok?

thinking of going outside to do something else.
What can you do outside as a teacher?
Trust me, no private company would even hire you for entry-level positions (e.g. make coffee for boss). No offense here.

You will be so out of touch with industry.
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I kept thinking some of the civil servants should not draw that kind of salary.
My subject head which is a scholar join the service 5 years ago, and he is
drawing a salary of 7K per month with a little work to do. He is with chinese language
department. Therefor, he always acts like he is very busy and always stay in
the school till very late. Actually, he do not have much to do. Then he come up with an idea
of Mother Tongue Enrichment Day which simply just ask a guest come to school to give a
speech. When talking about value add and impact to the department is none.
You make civil servants sound like they are a waste of tax-payers' money. Then again, you could be right.
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That's some good advice given up there.

I am a poly lecturer and hold a masters degree. Have seen over the 8 years tenue, culture of the teaching environment here has changed dramatically.

Promotion is slow and it typically takes 6 years average to move on to the next grade. I joined when I was 28 yo , drawing a salary of $3.1k and now 8 years on, the salary is at a mere at $5 k ++ excluding bonus.

With an average bonus of 4 months (13th mths, 2 mths performance bonus and 1 mid year bonus) it should work out to be around $7k plus.

Looks like the poly lecturer's pay is below what is being discussed here ,and definitely much lower than what the MOE teachers are drawing.
I think the curriculum taught in Polys are not "regulated" (or under the purview of) by MOE. Therefore, it is less 'civil' service. Therefore, you get less pay.
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Hi all,

can someone give me a rough idea how much a deputy finance director at a poly shd be getting ? going for an interview soon but dunno the market price as I come from private sector I have more than 15 years experience in finance and accounting...thanks.
$3000. Just kidding. Better that you don't know the market price.

You should go work in a poly for the love of meeting young people. Talking about money is disgusting...
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hi,

I'm 31 with a PhD in engineerin and make 3.6k per month working for a stat board.
Should I wish for more?
Why does it seem like engineering pursuits are not worth the effort?

Engineering graduates from the new University, SUTD, are in for a HARD TIME.

There should be a cap on the number of students in engineering faculties here.
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I'm guessing that you have 3 years or less of working experience (since you would probably be at least 28 years old after getting your PhD) so 3.6k is reasonable.
Age and Salary ? I do not even see a correlation here. Why should you be paid less because you are younger.

Compensation should be based on proven capabilities.
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All govt jobs are offered under 1 yr or 2 yr contract nowadays, if you don't do anything majorly wrong you can expect to be converted to permanent staff after the 1 or 2 years. Govt still a stickler for rules and regulation so just do your job well, be punctual, do OT if you must finish work by deadline, don't complain, don't gossip, don't take more than 5days MC in a year, be very very obedient and you will definitely get there. =)
All they ask for is your OBEDIENCE.

Blames can always be pushed to someone less obedient, but could be very capable.


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