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Old 03-08-2021, 02:07 PM
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Out of curiosity, if youíre a local Uni student who has not interacted with HK/British/American lawyers as much unless you studied a year abroad for exchange, do you feel like you could confidently impress these partners in a lateral interview? In elite US firms like Latham, Milbank, Skadden, Kirkland, Sidley etc, you have to meet at the very minimum 4 partners and most likely the managing partner/chair of the London office, and cultural fit with the team is quite important to these partners.
It really depends on the type of person you are and whether you can absorb knowledge from the work you do.

Do the B4 do top notch corporate work? Yes. No one can dispute this. From my experience working with them, the B4 partners are on top of things and know their job very well.

But this subject mater expertise rarely trickles down to the junior associates. You see a lot of them able to do their work very efficiently when the deal follows a conventional pathway, but the moment things get a little haywire or some loose bolt flies at them they get very panicked, cant bring out good ideas and have to check everything with their partners.

The ones that have solid legal knowledge, good client management and can handle things on the fly - we usually comment internally that they wont be there long, and we are usually right. Those are the ones that make the jump to a US/UK firm 1 or 2 PQE in, and those are the ones that do well in the interview. But they are 1 out of 10 associates in the B4.



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Out of curiosity, if youíre a local Uni student who has not interacted with HK/British/American lawyers as much unless you studied a year abroad for exchange, do you feel like you could confidently impress these partners in a lateral interview? In elite US firms like Latham, Milbank, Skadden, Kirkland, Sidley etc, you have to meet at the very minimum 4 partners and most likely the managing partner/chair of the London office, and cultural fit with the team is quite important to these partners.
Why not. Donít give in to your Pinkerton syndrome lah. Law students here are how ang moh pai. Unless youíre some chao ah beng or xenophobic dick, just be authentic and speak your mind to let them know you more.

Someone earlier already posted about Latham hiring more Singapore lawyers.

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Hello, junior lawyer called in 2020 looking for some advice from the laojiaos here

I am currently working in one of the pseudo international firms in a corp practice. Pay is decent for a junior assoc but hours are long (regularly 2/3 am and havent had a day of leave since starting as a trainee). It is not so much the long hours which are the deal breaker but rather also I find that my own development has stagnated and also I dont see a very long runway for the area of law I am practising.

I have been looking around and considering my options and grateful if a senior here can offer some advice from a career development perspective:

(1) moving to another practice in a B4 firm - from what I understand, despite meagre pay for the long hours, working in a B4 firm really builds up the skills and competency levels of the juniors. was wondering whether it is timely for a soon-to-be 1PQE to join one of the more up-and-coming practices such as funds or fintech etc.

(2) moving to the same/similar practice in an international firm - pay is definitely better and I understand that a number of international firms are hiring associates at my seniority because I am nearing that 2 year mark since I started training which is the end of the 2-year training period for a UK lawyer.

Thanks in advance!

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Old 03-08-2021, 05:36 PM
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Hows the market perception of associates now as between the B4 firms? asking from the perspective of a junior lawyer focusing on career progression
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hallo junior associate called in 2020 here looking for some advice from the seniors on the forum

in your experience, which is a better move from a development and career progression standpoint:

(1) moving to one of the more 'up-and-coming' practices such as funds, fintech etc. in a B4 local firm

(2) moving to a more 'traditional' practice such as banking in an international firm.

(2) offers a much better pay package of course, but I have heard that lawyers who have trained in B4 are viewed better by the market due to the more rigorous training (and workload).

Grateful for your thoughts!
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hallo junior associate called in 2020 here looking for some advice from the seniors on the forum

in your experience, which is a better move from a development and career progression standpoint:

(1) moving to one of the more 'up-and-coming' practices such as funds, fintech etc. in a B4 local firm

(2) moving to a more 'traditional' practice such as banking in an international firm.

(2) offers a much better pay package of course, but I have heard that lawyers who have trained in B4 are viewed better by the market due to the more rigorous training (and workload).

Grateful for your thoughts!
Pick something that you at least like doing. If you hate regimentation, banking will kill you. If you hate everything, then go for the money.

What international firm are you taking about? Latham? CC? Ashurst? DRD? No one is gonna **** on your training if you go to the first couple and their peers.
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It's a small-midsize boutique firm formed from past big4 associates. They caused a hoo-ha when they started because the partners started the firm at 3PQE (the minimum required without Minlaw approval). They expanded quite fast at the start.

However, recently I think some of the corp dept (their head at least) had some dispute (or maybe just decided to leave).
Heard wmh pays their staff and associates very well, i was told even last year during covid they have received good increments and bonus.
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Why not go in-house? Same legal skills, provide solutions to business, and without being assessed on your hourly billings?
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hallo junior associate called in 2020 here looking for some advice from the seniors on the forum

in your experience, which is a better move from a development and career progression standpoint:

(1) moving to one of the more 'up-and-coming' practices such as funds, fintech etc. in a B4 local firm

(2) moving to a more 'traditional' practice such as banking in an international firm.

(2) offers a much better pay package of course, but I have heard that lawyers who have trained in B4 are viewed better by the market due to the more rigorous training (and workload).

Grateful for your thoughts!

join TMT practice in intl firm

your exit options will be really good
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