30yo's career -- advice from the wiser and more experienced? Int in Law/Mger/Teacher

Originally Posted by harrow

30 YEAR OLD MEET LI-FE CRI-SIS MAH!! SIAO LIAO LOH!!!

You really jin eng leh

Originally Posted by harrow

Hmm...I was wrong.

PSLE: 262 (= top 1%)
10 O levels: 5 pts (= unsure, probably within top 10%, possibly top 5%.)
BA: 1:1 (= around top 10%)

How to survive as bottom-end associate in Fairprice liddat leh?! WAH LAO EH!!! ALAMAK!!! JIA LAT!!! WAN FIN GOODER J-OB!!!! RARRRRRR!!!

You did very well in PSLE and O levels, congratulations.

You failed A levels, understandable, people fail from time to time.

You failed polytechnic? WTF? A person with your O level scores is surely able to pass polytechnic without even attending lectures or studying.

And then you took the "use money" way out to take a degree from low-ranking university in Scotland. You top the course, but being a chapalang uni, people are still sceptical. After all, you are competing with other people who failed their diplomas.

Then instead of getting a good MBA to compensate, you got a post-graduate diploma (you did not tell us where, it should be another low ranking uni).

What you should realise is that all your academic achievements is not comparable to a local uni standard. That is, your qualifications are weaker than a 3 yr non honours Business program in NUS.

You manage to find a niche teaching, but only countries whose main language is not English will want to employ you.

If you are still having the attitude of "I am a top 10% guy", then you are simply hopeless. Ppl will rather employ a good A level or diploma graduate than you for a cheaper and better employee.

Stop living in the glory of your past. It's really sad to see a 30yo adult bringing up their PLSE and O lvl achievements. It says a lot about how little you have achieved for the past 14 years. And no, getting a first class from a low tier university is not an achievement.

U did well when u were young, but that was it. Ur ability has capped at the JC level. Rebellious or not is just an excuse.

Originally Posted by harrow

Sure, I doubt I can compete even with a mobile phone shop salesman who earns 3k+!!!, given that I only graduated among the top 10% for Primary school, secondary school, degree and post grad. I mean, it is obvious that I am a am pretty dumb person.

Just to clarify, perhaps I wasn't obvious enough, I did not apply for middle/top management jobs, I am looking to get on the ladder (possibly as a management trainee. associate, etc) and become a mid level manager in possibly 3-5 years' time. Most of the jobs I applied for were pretty junior jobs.

Are you living in some sort of lala land? Management Associate programs in big MNCs are not short of top academic & all rounder high achievers as applicants. You think they give a shiit about your PSLE/O Level or what cert you got from a private university?

Even top programs offered by bb banks & big oil cannot promise to make these high potential people mid level managers in 3 years and you a 30 year old inexperienced guy with a private cert living on past glory of your PSLE & O Level scores expect them to make you a mid level manager there?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Are you living in some sort of lala land? Management Associate programs in big MNCs are not short of top academic & all rounder high achievers as applicants. You think they give a shiit about your PSLE/O Level or what cert you got from a private university?

Even top programs offered by bb banks & big oil cannot promise to make these high potential people mid level managers in 3 years and you a 30 year old inexperienced guy with a private cert living on past glory of your PSLE & O Level scores expect them to make you a mid level manager there?

Are you guys really that stupid that you fall for this troll bait?

[harrow]

I only brought up my psle grades not to boast but to reply to someone's post. As for my pg dip, I did it with the intention of using it for credits towards a biz masters, probably in a few years time. I currently am finishing up a part time education masters from university college london (I am also getting well above average marks here). Like i said i wasn't boasting about my psle, even my mother thinks I only have a diploma, I didn't bother to tell anyone I even have a degree, except for employers, I didn't see the need to. Of course, I know many of you guys have topped your classes one time or another and have nus degrees.

Speaking of nus grads, I am sure many are competent. But here is my latest interaction with the 'supreme beings' (if you are the average poster here). I recently went to a sg hospital for an apendectomy. One nus resident missed my vein about 6 times, on both hands, and pasted tegaderm horribly on a drip that was halfway in, he couldn't even stick an iv into me. I had to save some spots for more iv drips to come, so i politely asked for a nurse to do it, and she did it in one try. I had my op, and i was feeling terribly sore around my shoulders, so I asked everyone why did I feel like I just got knifed by a geylang loan shark on my right shoulder. The nus grad nurses told me it was muscle loss from lying in bed for 2 full days. The nus grad surgeons who cut me open repeated the same reason the few times I asked them. The pain was killing me, It didn't make any sense to me, how can a fit male experience so much muscle loss in just 2 days and 1 night? and it certainly didn't feel like muscle loss. I finally got a mobile phone, went on google, and found my answer on wikipedia. The extreme pain was due to the irritation to my nerves from the gas injected during my keyhole surgery. The gas was rising, hence, the shoulder pain. It is pretty common and will go away soon, which it did. So, a team of nus surgeons, with aaa a level grades, who went to nus for 5 years, and who had been doing keyhole for probably a few years, didn't even know this. Well, at least they managed to stick an iv drip into me.... I also had an opportunity to sit in at ntu where my ears nearly bled after 10 minutes.

Sure, many of my friends are nus grads and they are competent,smarter than me. I think the smartest guy is from smu though.

University is a lot about wealth. If you are rich, or most likely your family is rich, you can afford the tuition fees of 80k or 100k at top unis, or take 4 year off to do your bachelors full time etc. It certainly is not like a levels, or o levels, where anyone can take the same exams for a few hundred bucks. Everyone reads the same textbooks, basically, and exams and assessments are mostly similar as well. In top unis, you may get more value added stuff like talks from famous people, internships, etc.

Many of the same nus guys laugh at the uol external grads on the other thread, the uol is an examining body for its colleges and if you get a first or second upper from uol or any uni, I wouldn't think you are stupid at all, unlike many of the nus fans here. In fact, if you think they are stupid, it actually says something about you.

I applied for pr in another country last year. I moved here to work because the experience here allows me to apply for pr there. In japan, I was earning about 4k after tax. Here, 3k or so. Given the low cost of living here, 3k is okay. You have to make 4k in sg just to get 3k in cash after cpf. I used to average 4k in sg runnin my own small biz.

So, if you think nus or ntu grads are the most competent, so be it. Or if you think money is the most important thing in life, so be it. I wish you nothing but the best. We are all different.

For me, I have opportunities in many places, not just singapore. I wasn't focusing on my career or money much previously but now I will focus more on it. With a Celta, a ba and soon a ma, there are many opportunities out there for me in my field. A quality employer will judge an employee based on his performance rationally. Good employers are rare anyway.

It is funny. Quite a few top level local or ivy league grad folks in sg once called Singaporeans who live and work globally for opportunities quitters and losers. Never mind the majority of citizens in their generation was born overseas or that their parents are most likely immigrants. Yet, at the very same time, the same guys are taking in mostly low quality immigrants from mostly 3rd world countries and calling them talents. It is just hilarious. Just 20 years ago it was stop at one or two, or be fined, now they are begging folks to give birth to as many babies as possible.

I was offered a dozen positions last year when I was looking for a job. I signed to teach with an american uni here for personal reasons. But I was offered jobs that ranged from junior manager in a biz to teacher to teacher trainer for a higher salaries as well. Next year, maybe I will search for opportunities in sg. Or if i can't find a good employer there are plenty of opportunities elsewhere.

My achievements in life are not my psle, 11 deg, a master, salary (mine is low, I am not an achiever by any means). I am a loser compared to my peers, lawyes, doctors, etc.

A lot of my 'achievements' are intrinsic. I am happy with my life, I just did something cool the other day, my student just told me I was the best teacher he ever had, I am not stuck in anyway, I am healthy, I had a good time with my friends last week, I helped someone last week.

So good luck to everyone.

And then, instead of taking a proper Masters in a proper University, you doubled down on your mistake and go take a UOL distance learning education masters. Simi from University College London. Dun deceive yourself lah.

Weak means weak. Simi university is a lot about wealth. Typical statement made by people who cannot make it.

Smart people get scholarships. Poor people get bursaries. Hardworking people teach tuition to earn money.

Local uni where got cost 80k, 100k?

The nus thing is just an example people use. The lesson here is to study properly in a top university and get a proper cert.

If you fly to University College London and get your Masters in Education there, ok, still got hope. Keep using money for your distance learning programs, and you will only keep repeating your mistakes.

[harrow]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

And then, instead of taking a proper Masters in a proper University, you doubled down on your mistake and go take a UOL distance learning education masters. Simi from University College London. Dun deceive yourself lah.

Weak means weak. Simi university is a lot about wealth. Typical statement made by people who cannot make it.

Smart people get scholarships. Poor people get bursaries. Hardworking people teach tuition to earn money.

Local uni where got cost 80k, 100k?

The nus thing is just an example people use. The lesson here is to study properly in a top university and get a proper cert.

If you fly to University College London and get your Masters in Education there, ok, still got hope. Keep using money for your distance learning programs, and you will only keep repeating your mistakes.

The part-time masters I am doing is directly from the Institute of Education, University College London. It is different from the London External Program. For one, it costs a few times more. And another, there are study seminars with UCL profs. I also contact with my personal tutors and profs. It is also pretty much research-based. The external program doesn't even offer the course I have studying.

I did think about studying on-campus but I would probably need about 80-100k SGD (the nett course fee itself was about 50k sgd), which I am sure someone like you has.

Smart people get scholarships? Sure, if you are the top 1%, you have a chance. I can't get it, it is too difficult.

Poor people get bursaries? Sure, try calling NUS/NTU (the best in duh world) for a 'bursary' for their courses, be it undergrad or post-grad.

I didn't have the exceptional experience of attending years of lectures in NTU/NUS. But I did sit in for a few lectures in the past. Imaging 2-hour daily lectures for a year or 4 years under the average Professor in a Proper University such as NUS or NTU. Oh boy, what great joy it must be both intellectually, visually and auditorily.

For example, NTU's (Proper Top Class University's) Prof Tan (Top Class Proper Prof) shows his high-level wisdom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lPte2V43xA

Congrats to all his students for making the wise choice of paying 30k to listen to him speak. Quality education.

I don't think anyone brought up UOL/SIM in this thread. Your own inferiority complex about it made you write a whole wall of text that frankly I can't be assed to read through. I'm not sure what kind of advice you're looking for but you could've just asked a simple question instead of posting retarded crap like your PSLE results and how you can't be a lawyer.

Originally Posted by harrow

The part-time masters I am doing is directly from the Institute of Education, University College London. It is different from the London External Program. For one, it costs a few times more. And another, there are study seminars with UCL profs. I also contact with my personal tutors and profs. It is also pretty much research-based. The external program doesn't even offer the course I have studying.

I did think about studying on-campus but I would probably need about 80-100k SGD (the nett course fee itself was about 50k sgd), which I am sure someone like you has.

Smart people get scholarships? Sure, if you are the top 1%, you have a chance. I can't get it, it is too difficult.

Poor people get bursaries? Sure, try calling NUS/NTU (the best in duh world) for a 'bursary' for their courses, be it undergrad or post-grad.

I didn't have the exceptional experience of attending years of lectures in NTU/NUS. But I did sit in for a few lectures in the past. Imaging 2-hour daily lectures for a year or 4 years under the average Professor in a Proper University such as NUS or NTU. Oh boy, what great joy it must be both intellectually, visually and auditorily.

For example, NTU's (Proper Top Class University's) Prof Tan (Top Class Proper Prof) shows his high-level wisdom:

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Congrats to all his students for making the wise choice of paying 30k to listen to him speak. Quality education.

So you are studying part time now at UCL in the UK while working full time in China?

NUS/NTU does give bursaries for all eligible needy students who apply. People already tell you got liao, you still living in your own imaginary world and refuse to accept reality.

Still dare to call yourself a teacher.

You are really a failure.