Civil Service Year End Bonus.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

average (C grade, about 75%) PB is 1.5. civil service is standard 15.5-16 Mth package

Thanks for the clarification. So is this roughly how it will work this year:

1. Mid year 0.5
2. End year 0.8
3. AWS 1
4. PB 1.5

So average performer this year is 15.8 months package? So seems like variable bonus exclude aws is 2.8 mths which is decent but not fantastic. Gov really should clear the air on how this whole thing works, a lot of confusion from the public as so many different types of bonus.

Honestly, 15.8 months for avg performer is nothing fantastic. In big MNCs an avg performer would easily hit 17 months (all in). Besides, basic pay at the bigger MNCs is also much higher on avg...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks for the clarification. So is this roughly how it will work this year:

1. Mid year 0.5
2. End year 0.8
3. AWS 1
4. PB 1.5

So average performer this year is 15.8 months package? So seems like variable bonus exclude aws is 2.8 mths which is decent but not fantastic. Gov really should clear the air on how this whole thing works, a lot of confusion from the public as so many different types of bonus.

Why does the government need to clear the air on "how this whole thing works"? The government is just another employer in the context of the civil service, and civil servants (or public servants) are like all other private sector employees. Why should their pay schemes be made public to satisfy the public's curiosity. There's a case for making the pay of politicians or MPs transparent, since they are elected officers, but civil servants (and public servants) are not elected and owe nothing to the electorate.

Hope you are not a civil servant. You don't even know who the paymaster is for the CS. Civil servants are paid through taxes paid by the citizenry, and they are there to serve the public. I guess you didn't realize why they were also called public servants? They owe everything to the public.

If the people clamor loud enough, the gahmen will have to reveal the pay packages of the CS like they did in the good old days. On the other hand, private companies earn their income through product & services. If they don't do that well, customers will leave them and they will fold up.

I observed a lot of civil / public servants are forgetting this basic tenet and are very yaya papaya about their jobs. You can see so many of them posting on these kind of forums during office hours. I feel it's time to shake them up.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why does the government need to clear the air on "how this whole thing works"? The government is just another employer in the context of the civil service, and civil servants (or public servants) are like all other private sector employees. Why should their pay schemes be made public to satisfy the public's curiosity. There's a case for making the pay of politicians or MPs transparent, since they are elected officers, but civil servants (and public servants) are not elected and owe nothing to the electorate.

Civil service salary and bonuses are never meant to be fantastic. Instead, it is pegged at a relatively competitive rate so that it can still attract competent people. If u feel that the private sector offers a lot more, no one is stopping u to join them.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Honestly, 15.8 months for avg performer is nothing fantastic. In big MNCs an avg performer would easily hit 17 months (all in). Besides, basic pay at the bigger MNCs is also much higher on avg...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Honestly, 15.8 months for avg performer is nothing fantastic. In big MNCs an avg performer would easily hit 17 months (all in). Besides, basic pay at the bigger MNCs is also much higher on avg...

this is a fallacy that almost all civil servants i have come across have.

most civil servants are generalists with little relevant/transferable skills to the pte sector unless you are being parachuted in from the SAF. please don't compare yourselves to professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc), investment/private bankers, oil & gas who are the ones with fat bonus packages.

why don't you try joining an MNC and see if you can even smell 17 months?

The 0.8 months declared for the CS is already too much for the public servants wasting tax payers' money posting on this forum during office hours.

anyone knows how to identify them?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

this is a fallacy that almost all civil servants i have come across have.

most civil servants are generalists with little relevant/transferable skills to the pte sector unless you are being parachuted in from the SAF. please don't compare yourselves to professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc), investment/private bankers, oil & gas who are the ones with fat bonus packages.

why don't you try joining an MNC and see if you can even smell 17 months?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Honestly, 15.8 months for avg performer is nothing fantastic. In big MNCs an avg performer would easily hit 17 months (all in). Besides, basic pay at the bigger MNCs is also much higher on avg...

I keep hearing this about high bonus in pte sector, but honestly can someone tell me on average basis which industry beside oil & gas and banking FO actually pay >17 mth package?

I have been in the high tech industry and close to 12 years exp in 3 well known MNC and so far the average seems to be 14.5-15 mth package only.

Base on my experience and informal poll around friends, other than a few GLCs that are famous for paying dirt cheap basic salaries and try to make it up with bonuses, I don't really see many MNCs that can pay 17 mth package.

Many people forget that CS salaries are typically lower than pte. Assuming similiar role and responsibilities, If CS earns $750/mth then in pte this could well be $1,000/mth. Hence....

$750 x 15.8 months = $11,850

$1000 x 14.5 months = $14,500
$14,500 / $750 = 19 months

Its easy to see that 15.8 months may seem alot compared to pte 14.5 - 15 but at the end of the day CS still earn less. Perhaps thats what the prev poster mean, regardless of industry

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Many people forget that CS salaries are typically lower than pte. Assuming similiar role and responsibilities, If CS earns $750/mth then in pte this could well be $1,000/mth. Hence....

$750 x 15.8 months = $11,850

$1000 x 14.5 months = $14,500
$14,500 / $750 = 19 months

Its easy to see that 15.8 months may seem alot compared to pte 14.5 - 15 but at the end of the day CS still earn less. Perhaps thats what the prev poster mean, regardless of industry

another fallacy.. my CS peers are earning higher basic and annual packages than me. i know for a fact that agencies like IE Singapore hires experience professionals from O&G and other industries. why would these people make the jump if they are worse off?