Civil Service Pay - Director level

Originally Posted by Unregistered

At the end of the day, because of the different schemes of service, different agencies (stat boards have autonomy), different CEP etc. No one actually has the full picture of the entire civil service, how the pay is like, and the career progression etc. One thing's for sure, if you're in for the money, please do go to the private sector.

Typically local grads will end up as Director, just depending on how long it'll take them (normally around 30 years). Promotion and career development, like with striking lottery, cannot be explained. It's a combination of luck, people's help, and ability. Being at the right place, doing the right thing, under the right boss plays a huge part. Who's to say that the average Joe who gets his first promotion after 4 years, might not end up with a higher position, as compared to a bright Jon who got his first promotion after 2 years?

No way that "typically local grads will end up as Dir" - there are around 10 Dirs at each ministry (most have fewer) and many many more local grads. Local grads are lucky to retire as DDs.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No way that "typically local grads will end up as Dir" - there are around 10 Dirs at each ministry (most have fewer) and many many more local grads. Local grads are lucky to retire as DDs.

Now, non-grads have a chance to be Directors too.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No way that "typically local grads will end up as Dir" - there are around 10 Dirs at each ministry (most have fewer) and many many more local grads. Local grads are lucky to retire as DDs.

Depends, different ministry have different title inflation. MFA particularly bad, almost every deg grad is some sort of director over there.

The stat boards also more liberal with titles.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No way that "typically local grads will end up as Dir" - there are around 10 Dirs at each ministry (most have fewer) and many many more local grads. Local grads are lucky to retire as DDs.

I think most Ministries have more than 10 directors. Nowadays, there are also different levels of directors like group directors, divisional directors, etc. Some deputy directors are also getting director pay.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think most Ministries have more than 10 directors. Nowadays, there are also different levels of directors like group directors, divisional directors, etc. Some deputy directors are also getting director pay.

The director in civil service are over paid and complacent
in private a pay of SGD12k per month has to manage a whole region

This type of culture cannot be blamed. If someone has to take the blame, it will be the whole farking civil service. Usually people follow what others do, if right at the top management, there is this sense of "this money is government taxpayer money, even if lim bei don't slack, someone else will do so, then I lose out!", then the rest of the organization will COMPARE AND CONTRAST, and end up everyone dog is a slacker there.

I tend to disagree with that view. Only a minority subscribe to that perspective. Many civil servants work just as hard as their private sector counterparts,especially in certain key ministries. And also,please remember that everyone pays tax,even ministers and the like. So it's not fair to suggest that the civil service has the mentality that they're earning off taxpayers money(infinite supply) so they can slack and not work hard. Even if that was not the intent of your pronouncement,that was the implication.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think most Ministries have more than 10 directors. Nowadays, there are also different levels of directors like group directors, divisional directors, etc. Some deputy directors are also getting director pay.

DDs are not directors. They don't count among full directors in a ministry. Stat boards' titles are generally not comparable to ministries, with the exception of some economic stat boards like MAS and EDB, which like ministries don't have many full directors.

the only important career benchmark in pte or public sector is total pay including all bonus & allowance. titles count for nothing and varies widely from org to org.

for those who value job base on title, just go & join a bank. almost any grad with some exp can be a VP

what is salary range for Director? 20k?