Local Uni Class of 2020 - COVID19 Batch - Are your lowering your expectations?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

they are FRESH grads for a reason and thus, it can be justified - to a certain extent - that they lack the experience. after all, experience comes with time.

you probably experienced this if you were a fresh grad yourself, unless you ain't one?

Exactly my point. Fresh grad has no skills. No experience... So why pay them 4k when your fresh grad in 2017 who getting only 3.3k and have worked with the company for 3 yeass haven't even reach 4k

What d a joke. Fresh grad entitlement.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Exactly my point. Fresh grad has no skills. No experience... So why pay them 4k when your fresh grad in 2017 who getting only 3.3k and have worked with the company for 3 yeass haven't even reach 4k

What d a joke. Fresh grad entitlement.

Think you need to understand that there are tiers to fresh grads, they are not one entity

2010
Me: boss this 1 million dollar project deadline damn tight need more manpower can hire anot?
Boss: OK get 2 or 3 fresh grad.

2020
Me: boss this 2 million dollar project deadline damn tight need more manpower can hire anot?
Boss: OK get senior with experience then pay them fresh grad pay. Don't hire fresh grad pay them senior pay can't do anything.
Me: OK boss.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Think you need to understand that there are tiers to fresh grads, they are not one entity

Wake up your idea.
You think your fisst class honors GPA meant **** at work meh.
The reality is when you join workforce you work with many people of varying skills.
And 95% chances your boss and superior are lpusier than you. Since you top 5% in Singapore mah. Your boss is 95% all lousier than you.

And if you think grade equate to performance bonus. Increment. Wait long long la.
There is a long line of people waiting in line for the promotion.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

And end up self voluntary overtime to make up for the fact they are slow and lack the experience to do the job.

As a fresh grad in comp sci who is getting paid an undeserving amount compared to my peers from other faculties, this is actually pretty accurate 🤣

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wake up your idea.
You think your fisst class honors GPA meant **** at work meh.
The reality is when you join workforce you work with many people of varying skills.
And 95% chances your boss and superior are lpusier than you. Since you top 5% in Singapore mah. Your boss is 95% all lousier than you.

And if you think grade equate to performance bonus. Increment. Wait long long la.
There is a long line of people waiting in line for the promotion.

Its about the potential to become something great, of course a fresh grad with good grades but lack experience cannot be compared to their direct boss who is probably few years their senior.

But give those freshers a few years, due to the rate of how quickly they can pick up new concepts and contribute to ideas, they will climb the corporate ladder pretty quickly.

Its not easy to be a first class honors in local uni, especially in a competitive landscape like Singapore. Hard work is not enough, you need to have some IQ also and know how to game the system.

People who are successful in one area of their life are usually successful in others. This isn't a surprise between school and work too.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wake up your idea.
You think your fisst class honors GPA meant **** at work meh.
The reality is when you join workforce you work with many people of varying skills.
And 95% chances your boss and superior are lpusier than you. Since you top 5% in Singapore mah. Your boss is 95% all lousier than you.

And if you think grade equate to performance bonus. Increment. Wait long long la.
There is a long line of people waiting in line for the promotion.

hahaha not everyone shares your miserable experience plain and simple

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well when I was a fresh grad the pay is 2k range. So boss don't expect fresh grad to deliver. We learn and get more experience and hence they pay rise matches the experience...


Now. Fresh grad no experience want 4k pay. Boss ofc have to expect a senior level work quality which fresh grad lacks. Can't expect seniors who not even 4k to do fresh grad work who is betting 4k++.

That is why we have this dilemma now due to fresh grad entitlement
So solution is.... Give everything to fresh grad. Overload them until they quit or until they rralized they don't got it.

Bad appraisal. Bad performance review.

Likewise if a senior colleague join at 4k pay. We expect that senior to deliver. So we expect fresh grad to deliver. Twice as much...

not sure if trolling or plain stupid. havent heard of inflation? demand and supply?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

As a fresh grad in comp sci who is getting paid an undeserving amount compared to my peers from other faculties, this is actually pretty accurate 🤣

exactly. i think the detractors are the ones who got stuck and pwned by the so called fresh grads, who step on their head and take liquid dumps.

oh well. forbidden fruit taste the sweetest!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well when I was a fresh grad the pay is 2k range. So boss don't expect fresh grad to deliver. We learn and get more experience and hence they pay rise matches the experience...


Now. Fresh grad no experience want 4k pay. Boss ofc have to expect a senior level work quality which fresh grad lacks. Can't expect seniors who not even 4k to do fresh grad work who is betting 4k++.

That is why we have this dilemma now due to fresh grad entitlement
So solution is.... Give everything to fresh grad. Overload them until they quit or until they rralized they don't got it.

Bad appraisal. Bad performance review.

Likewise if a senior colleague join at 4k pay. We expect that senior to deliver. So we expect fresh grad to deliver. Twice as much...

you must have really sucked if you were a fresh grad with an offer of 2k.

perhaps the reason why you sounded sour was because you couldn't get a 4k starting pay job back then.