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Old 14-04-2024, 11:06 PM
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And the service has lost another...

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Management would see it as successfully shedding another excess headcount

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So mid career switchers deserve to earn fresh grad teacher salaries?

People with industry experience bring quite a lot to the table that single-career teachers may never be able to.
By the same logic, teachers joining other industries shouldn't start from fresh grad salaries too?

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By the same logic, teachers joining other industries shouldn't start from fresh grad salaries too?
Mid career switchers also start from lowest GEO grade and pay scale in their untrained year.

Some mid career people may also hv years of experience
dealing with youth or kids outside of their corporate work eg social work etc

If you show adaptability, ability to learn fast and value-add, in addition
you also bring to the table, maturity and dexterity in handling interpersonal
relationships, management of tasks etc, your other past skills eg IT and your school/RO
appreciate these, there's a good chance of fast promotion or increment when demonstrate
these skills consistently well. Being humble, non self defensive, good relationship
with RO ...are these are important as well.

The same applies for teacher switching careers.

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Mid career switchers also start from lowest GEO grade and pay scale in their untrained year.

Some mid career people may also hv years of experience
dealing with youth or kids outside of their corporate work eg social work etc

If you show adaptability, ability to learn fast and value-add, in addition
you also bring to the table, maturity and dexterity in handling interpersonal
relationships, management of tasks etc, your other past skills eg IT and your school/RO
appreciate these, there's a good chance of fast promotion or increment when demonstrate
these skills consistently well. Being humble, non self defensive, good relationship
with RO ...are these are important as well.

The same applies for teacher switching careers.
Thoae qualities that you highlight can be as apparent in fresh grads who enter the teaching service directly. But we know that the opportunities have decreased and promotion had stalled
So why should someone who is a mid career switch get promoted faster when there's no difference in the qualities?
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Thoae qualities that you highlight can be as apparent in fresh grads who enter the teaching service directly. But we know that the opportunities have decreased and promotion had stalled
So why should someone who is a mid career switch get promoted faster when there's no difference in the qualities?
in the past...it is to attract people over from private sector...i think that was when teaching manpower was still lacking? early 2000s perhaps?

nowadays im not sure of how prevalent hiring of mid careers is anymore...but im sure similar to fresh grad hiring, its probably a lot more stringent and demanding?
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in the past...it is to attract people over from private sector...i think that was when teaching manpower was still lacking? early 2000s perhaps?

nowadays im not sure of how prevalent hiring of mid careers is anymore...but im sure similar to fresh grad hiring, its probably a lot more stringent and demanding?
from HR perspective mid careers are good , esp to please political bosses. so much abt preparing kids for world of work how to sell that to public who questions how do teachers know if they all only knkw one industry ie teaching?
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Usually email is sent to SLs, in some cases SSD. Supt needs to clear you before you even have a chance to go for the interview. I’ve always wondered how they determine who yo grant the interview given the sheer number of submissions. Nevertheless, like what the others have pointed out, just focus on your teaching. If it comes, it comes.
Anyway is it really true PAT or OYEA will lead to higher CEP? after all one's cep is only determined by Ranking panel... It's not like being a finalist or recipient will automatically mean one is on FLP or some special scheme...

Nevertheless, kudos to those who are even selected for the selection interview... Probably rarer than getting into an accelerated scheme
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Old 16-04-2024, 09:48 AM
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Thoae qualities that you highlight can be as apparent in fresh grads who enter the teaching service directly. But we know that the opportunities have decreased and promotion had stalled
So why should someone who is a mid career switch get promoted faster when there's no difference in the qualities?
Most mid career switchers took a paycut to join teaching. So they have to sacrifice financially to prove their worth for about 2 yeara, during the untrained stint + NIE.. and then you expect them to be compensated like fresh grads? At the end of the day, their salary would be match that of fellow teachers of their age.

The fact that you’re questioning the ministry’s decision about this reflects that you lack the ability to understand the value of professional wisdom and maturity. Probably come back in 18 years and ask your older self if you’d settle for a job with fresh grad salary and pace of promotion.

I for one would pay a professionally wise mid career switcher more than a genZ who plasters their students’ composition on tiktok.
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Old 16-04-2024, 11:26 AM
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I can't believe we're still on this topic. Go tell someone who can do something about it, or get yourself out of the toxic work environment you can't stand. Why keep whining online when others who clearly didn't have the same experience as you have already helpfully suggested concrete suggestions you can try to make things work better for you?

You are in control of your own life. So take action over the things you can control and make peace with the things you can't. #cce
nobody is forcing you to respond to topics you’re uncomfortable with. why whine here? reply to other topics that appeal to you. typical case of pot calling the kettle black lol
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Most mid career switchers took a paycut to join teaching. So they have to sacrifice financially to prove their worth for about 2 yeara, during the untrained stint + NIE.. and then you expect them to be compensated like fresh grads? At the end of the day, their salary would be match that of fellow teachers of their age.

The fact that you’re questioning the ministry’s decision about this reflects that you lack the ability to understand the value of professional wisdom and maturity. Probably come back in 18 years and ask your older self if you’d settle for a job with fresh grad salary and pace of promotion.

I for one would pay a professionally wise mid career switcher more than a genZ who plasters their students’ composition on tiktok.
Wow, that's a pretty condescending reply. Looks like we have pre sector ppl who will just add on to the toxic middle managers plaguing the education system.
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