Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

After 7 years, salaries can diverge a lot.

Size of merit increments can vary by a lot during the non-covid years especially. It can be as low as 170, as high as 310 at the lower subgrades.

Promotion year from geo3 to geo4 matters a lot for these few cohorts. If you were promoted to geo4 just before the Oct'22 salary revision, you lose out a lot. The biggest difference can be observed between officers getting this promotion in Apr 2022, vs those getting it in Apr 2023. The latter in some cases can overtake the former in salary point.

Starting salary also matters. For those with 7+ YOE, they joined in the era when starting salary differed a noticeable bit based on honours class and other pre-service factors.

Seems like those who got into teaching or have their promotion during Covid people have it the worst. On the outside looks like there’s salary revision but actually their starting pay or increment is the lowest.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Enlighten us then. What’s with the unfairness in promotion these days for geo2-geo3? No more cohort promotion but now become selective is it?

Not OP here. Based on CEP and age I guess?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes. Am a LH.

Noob here...is this an equivalent of SH?

In a department, there is usually just 1 HOD and 1 SH/LH?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Seems like those who got into teaching or have their promotion during Covid people have it the worst. On the outside looks like there’s salary revision but actually their starting pay or increment is the lowest.

It goes to show that people are never satisfied even when talking about promotion and salary revisions. People are whining that they got promoted. We're talking about a system wide change and yes there will be edge cases who may not have benefited as much. But to say that its 'unfair' and 'lost out' shows that there's a group of people out there who will always find something to complain about.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It goes to show that people are never satisfied even when talking about promotion and salary revisions. People are whining that they got promoted. We're talking about a system wide change and yes there will be edge cases who may not have benefited as much. But to say that its 'unfair' and 'lost out' shows that there's a group of people out there who will always find something to complain about.

It doesn't make sense to get promoted one year earlier but shortly after, draw a lower gross monthly salary than peers from the same cohort who got promoted one year later.

To get promoted one year earlier than your cohort mates signals higher potential and/or performance, which should be rewarded with a higher salary, not lower.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It doesn't make sense to get promoted one year earlier but shortly after, draw a lower gross monthly salary than peers from the same cohort who got promoted one year later.

To get promoted one year earlier than your cohort mates signals higher potential and/or performance, which should be rewarded with a higher salary, not lower.

Like I said. Its an edge case. Salary scales overlap. And you're comparing people who are at the low end of geo4 vs those at the high end of geo3. At the end of the day, you got promoted earlier than your peers who are still stuck in geo3 which means you are likely to be ahead of them in terms of promotion rate.

1. You got promoted so higher salary
2. You got salary revision which applies to all geo4s

They are 2 very different things that happened in the same year

To complain is really being very small minded and expecting an entire ministry to carve out a special case just for special you.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Like I said. Its an edge case. Salary scales overlap. And you're comparing people who are at the low end of geo4 vs those at the high end of geo3. At the end of the day, you got promoted earlier than your peers who are still stuck in geo3 which means you are likely to be ahead of them in terms of promotion rate.

1. You got promoted so higher salary
2. You got salary revision which applies to all geo4s

They are 2 very different things that happened in the same year

To complain is really being very small minded and expecting an entire ministry to carve out a special case just for special you.

Instead of voicing out through this forum, consider writing to HR or the minister? At least something can or may be done? Sour grapes will always remain sour grapes.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Instead of voicing out through this forum, consider writing to HR or the minister? At least something can or may be done? Sour grapes will always remain sour grapes.

Better still. The people complaining should have written in asking to get demoted. Thats the logical thing right?

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8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
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5 yrs, female, PGDE, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female,*NIE*grad, GEO3, 5.4k
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11 yrs, male,*NIE*grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD,*NUS*grad, GEO5, 7k+ (she said it's below 8k)
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6 yrs, female,*NIE*grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
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5 yrs male,*NIE*grad, GEO4, 5.5k (int SH)
5 yrs, female,*NIE*grad, GEO3, 5.1k
5 yrs, female, PGDE, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female,*NIE*grad, GEO3, 5.4k
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