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Old 08-09-2020, 10:22 AM
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i am a current GEO 3, 5 years in service. Graduated straight from NIE BA/BSc programme and teaching non examinable subject (single subject) in a secondary school. Served NS, early 30s currently.

have been doing some projects in my school (low to high stake) but has been getting only a "C" for PB since in service.

Starting from this year, i have been appointed overall IC for my CCA (is this considered high stake position?) and have made it clear to my RO that I would like to take up some KP position starting 2021.

My SLs are not really young (late 40s to 50s) and my school culture is really good (happy to stay in my school).

However, I have been thinking about transferring school (or to HQ branch) to progress further in my career. But I have enjoyed teaching in my school and enjoyed good relationship with students and colleagues to the extent that we have regular meet up outside of school. I have heard of many political stories elsewhere and sometimes i have been told to "count my blessing" by many friends and seniors teaching in other schools.

I would like to progress up the rank (raising to SEO grade) in my career. I understand that being in my early 30s and still at GEO 3 means my progression is really slow. (maybe low CEP?)


Would like to seek the almighty forumers who can give me advice. Should i leave my current school (sacrifice the good office culture and relationship with students/colleague) for a better shot at SEO grade?
I hope to shed some light to your question. Something about myself. Not a scholar, no honors (normal degree), 16 years in service. I got my SEO1 when I was 35 and SEO2 5 years later.

Overall IC is not a high stake as schools dont consciously put high potential officers to lead CCAs unless the CCA is a niche area. CCA deployment is more like staff preference and putting officers where they used to previously.

Taking up a KP position is a conversation usually initiated by the RO. If your CEP is only P8, then your RO would not discuss this during your work review. The conversation would focus on T&L because a teacher with P8 CEP would be a teacher when he/she retires.

Seeking a HQ posting would require an officer to have a CEP of at least P7. So I suggest u check with your SLs first. (Of course, you cant ask them directly what your CEP is but you can seek their advice and from there, you would know what your CEP is).

If you feel that your school has a good culture, I would suggest you to stay. Schools with good colleagues and understanding SLs are hard to find. Going to a new environment would require you to build up relationships with new people and these people may have form cliques.

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I hope to shed some light to your question. Something about myself. Not a scholar, no honors (normal degree), 16 years in service. I got my SEO1 when I was 35 and SEO2 5 years later.

Overall IC is not a high stake as schools dont consciously put high potential officers to lead CCAs unless the CCA is a niche area. CCA deployment is more like staff preference and putting officers where they used to previously.

Taking up a KP position is a conversation usually initiated by the RO. If your CEP is only P8, then your RO would not discuss this during your work review. The conversation would focus on T&L because a teacher with P8 CEP would be a teacher when he/she retires.

Seeking a HQ posting would require an officer to have a CEP of at least P7. So I suggest u check with your SLs first. (Of course, you cant ask them directly what your CEP is but you can seek their advice and from there, you would know what your CEP is).

If you feel that your school has a good culture, I would suggest you to stay. Schools with good colleagues and understanding SLs are hard to find. Going to a new environment would require you to build up relationships with new people and these people may have form cliques.
What is P7 and P8? Never heard this terms before.

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1) You can see previous posts like in s://forums.salary.sg/income-jobs/1758-career-teacher-118.html#post110033 - there hasn't been a salary revision recently, so think the figures are still fairly accurate.

2) Yes, there is an allowance. Actual amount varies depending on gap between actual and expected grade. In the grand scheme of things it's not that significant (e.g. $3k per year) so I wouldn't factor it too much in any plans you're making.

3) Technically a HOD could reach SEO3 (I think - although I've only seen SEO2 myself) and those crowdsourced figures don't include SEO3 figures, but it doesn't seem that 13-14k is possible unless you're factoring in bonuses.

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Hi!

Just curious about the payscales in MOE (as a teacher). The info is abit outdated, so wanted to check anyone who knows the more recent amounts..

1) What's the salary range like for GEO 3, 4, 5, SEO 1, 2, 3?
Is it aligned with:

MX9 (Directors) $11,110 to $17,370
MX10 (Senior Management) $7,000 to $11,470
MX11 (Middle Management) $4,740 to $8,305
MX12 (Management) $2,945 to $5,925
MX13 (Fresh Graduates) $3,000

(source: s://blog.moneysmart.sg/career/civil-service-salary-pros-cons/ )


2) And is there additional allowance for taking on SH/ HOD/ ST while being in the GEO grades?

3) Not sure if it's just a rumor, but possible for a HOD to earn about $13 to $14k?

Thank you!

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I hope to shed some light to your question. Something about myself. Not a scholar, no honors (normal degree), 16 years in service. I got my SEO1 when I was 35 and SEO2 5 years later.

Overall IC is not a high stake as schools dont consciously put high potential officers to lead CCAs unless the CCA is a niche area. CCA deployment is more like staff preference and putting officers where they used to previously.

Taking up a KP position is a conversation usually initiated by the RO. If your CEP is only P8, then your RO would not discuss this during your work review. The conversation would focus on T&L because a teacher with P8 CEP would be a teacher when he/she retires.

Seeking a HQ posting would require an officer to have a CEP of at least P7. So I suggest u check with your SLs first. (Of course, you cant ask them directly what your CEP is but you can seek their advice and from there, you would know what your CEP is).

If you feel that your school has a good culture, I would suggest you to stay. Schools with good colleagues and understanding SLs are hard to find. Going to a new environment would require you to build up relationships with new people and these people may have form cliques.
Hi, can share some insights on CEP? What do P7 and P8 mean? What are the different levels?
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P8 - officer maxes out at GEO5
P7 - officer maxes out at SEO1
P6 - SEO2

(There's more, of course, but probably irrelevant for the vast majority of education officers)

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1) You can see previous posts like in s://forums.salary.sg/income-jobs/1758-career-teacher-118.html#post110033 - there hasn't been a salary revision recently, so think the figures are still fairly accurate.

2) Yes, there is an allowance. Actual amount varies depending on gap between actual and expected grade. In the grand scheme of things it's not that significant (e.g. $3k per year) so I wouldn't factor it too much in any plans you're making.

3) Technically a HOD could reach SEO3 (I think - although I've only seen SEO2 myself) and those crowdsourced figures don't include SEO3 figures, but it doesn't seem that 13-14k is possible unless you're factoring in bonuses.
The salaries for staffs in schools are quite standardized. So far, only seen 25k the most before retirement age. HODs not possible to earn basic 13-14k. Educators who have hit the highest salary in the grade will not earn any increment as long as they are not promoted.


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P8 - officer maxes out at GEO5
P7 - officer maxes out at SEO1
P6 - SEO2

(There's more, of course, but probably irrelevant for the vast majority of education officers)

Previous non-scholar poster. Would like to add on:
P8 - Normal teacher
P7 - officer maxes out at SEO1 (Officer is deemed to be an SH/LH when he/she retires)
P6 - SEO2 (Officer is deemed to be a HOD when he/she retires)
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The salaries for staffs in schools are quite standardized. So far, only seen 25k the most before retirement age. HODs not possible to earn basic 13-14k. Educators who have hit the highest salary in the grade will not earn any increment as long as they are not promoted.
25k/month? Is that the P? Maybe was previously a Supt and came back to school... but how did you managed to find out your Pís salary?


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25k/month? Is that the P? Maybe was previously a Supt and came back to school... but how did you managed to find out your Pís salary?
Quite clearly that I worked in the HQ.
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Quite clearly that I worked in the HQ.
Wah what level do you have to be to reach 25k
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