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Old 17-05-2021, 07:54 PM
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Tbh, this is the starting pay what a fresh grad will get in the past.

Now, i went back ST to nuah liao. They offer me (PE M2)
Ya me too.

Left ST to join a sme after 2 years.

Really can't survive outside with the competition.

Didn't even pass my confirmation for my first job and was asked to leave.

Had to downgrade for my second job and couldn't catch up with the demands.

Ate humble pie and went back to ST. If we are too use to ST, very difficult to get used to life outside. So i really want to advise those who consider leaving to think carefully.

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Old 17-05-2021, 09:04 PM
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how much is your m2 pay now under new scheme?, how many year exp since grad?
pay jiu shi what they say for m2 in the eariler post lo, think mention few time liao. yr exp is 5.

tbh if i stay in ST all the way, now i think i will still be a E5, at most E6. That is the rank which most of my peer is currently holding back in my old department.

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Old 17-05-2021, 09:51 PM
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ST used to be a good place for retirement, that no longer holds true.

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Old 17-05-2021, 10:06 PM
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ST now gives higher pay but remove stock options, aws, and it seems the bonus quantum is small. Actually is it even better than the previous system?
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ST now gives higher pay but remove stock options, aws, and it seems the bonus quantum is small. Actually is it even better than the previous system?
But for people like us with no experience, no skillset, only a degree, why give ourselves problem by leaving?

Being a leech in STE is better than being unemployed outside. Do you think you can survive outside?
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Old 18-05-2021, 09:25 AM
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Ya me too.

Left ST to join a sme after 2 years.

Really can't survive outside with the competition.

Didn't even pass my confirmation for my first job and was asked to leave.

Had to downgrade for my second job and couldn't catch up with the demands.

Ate humble pie and went back to ST. If we are too use to ST, very difficult to get used to life outside. So i really want to advise those who consider leaving to think carefully.
This means you lousy not the company le.
You mean you need company to micromanage you and force you to be a useful society?
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Old 18-05-2021, 09:42 AM
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This means you lousy not the company le.
You mean you need company to micromanage you and force you to be a useful society?
Cannot blame him.
I have seen former ST employees who struggled to fit into the corporate world. Some of those who managed to survive did mention that they learnt almost nothing in the ST environment that is useful in the corporate sector. The culture is greatly different and the applicable knowledge in corporate sectors were also different and more demanding. Some of them would rather go back to ST because they cannot survive the transition. One such example was that the culture of 'wayang' don't apply in the corporate sector. When you present something, you have to finish what you started and provide progress during updates while in ST, the same story gets repeated again and again. That is why you have projects that remain stagnant for 5 years without progress.
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Old 18-05-2021, 09:56 AM
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This means you lousy not the company le.
You mean you need company to micromanage you and force you to be a useful society?
Ya maybe i lousy

But you think yourself the things you learn in ST is how useful if you leave?
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Old 18-05-2021, 10:22 AM
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Ya maybe i lousy

But you think yourself the things you learn in ST is how useful if you leave?
That is irrelevant already. The fact that you left to a SME and learnt nothing there to continue your career there means its a problem with you, not whatever you have learnt or not learnt back at ST.

But sure you can keep blaming ST for your own incompetence if it helps you to sleep soundly at night.
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Old 18-05-2021, 10:27 AM
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ST now gives higher pay but remove stock options, aws, and it seems the bonus quantum is small. Actually is it even better than the previous system?
It's exactly the same monetarily but good that you don't have to wait until bonus to quit. Quit anytime also can. When they change the scheme, one of the main concern is that whether the bonus will be affected.

The HR answer was "performance bonus" still exists.
But in reality last time 2 to 3 months. Now become 1 to 2 months cause its been "factored" into the base.

But then it's aws factored in what. Not performance bonus. Why performance bonus also reduced?

Performance bonus depends on the company performance what. If company perform well the performance bonus remains the same what. But somehow they can twist to "oh new pay scheme so bonus now is less"

My side rhe outsource performance bonus now is only 0.5 months. Its so pathetic.
At least outside contract that doesn't have "performance bonus" got 1 month aws.

Then those senior management pay keep getting higher. Bonus keep getting better.
What a joke. Wirh those useless management not able to bring in project.... What basis to give them good bonus and 10k to 15k per month at the expense of your engineers pay.

ST Engineering? More like ST Management firm la.
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