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Old 27-04-2021, 02:27 PM
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Let's see.
If I get paid 10k per month to do nothing...
Do I really need to connect to reality? Lol...

Manager paid 10k to bullshit. Engineer paid 4k.
Manager come late at 10 am excuse is just came back from meeting... Meeting who? Nobody knows.
Engineer in office since 8 am.

Engineer go lunch 12 pm
Manager already outside lunch come back around 2 pm.

Then manager afternoon meeting or what. 4pm leave to attend "meeting".

Right. Sure.
During covid-19 so many external meeting at dsta ah?
More like go home early cause nobody in office to micro manage lol.

So now no more WFH.
You can see them start attending lots and lots of meeting.

Maybe the title shouldt be manager la.
Should remane to "meeting attendee".

Then meeting nobody do anything. Just end up alot of taichi. Push here push there.
All manager no use one.

So management so useless....
You want engineer to be connected to reality and grounded and low pay and loyal and forward thinking??

Change all the managers first.
How can a division of 100 people. 80% are managers. 20% are engineers.
What a joke. The correct distribution is 80% are engineers. Only 10% is managers. And 10% extra.
You must be joking. Are they imbeciles? From your description, they won't last a month in a MNC.

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Old 27-04-2021, 02:30 PM
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Let's see.
If I get paid 10k per month to do nothing...
Do I really need to connect to reality? Lol...

Manager paid 10k to bullshit. Engineer paid 4k.
Manager come late at 10 am excuse is just came back from meeting... Meeting who? Nobody knows.
Engineer in office since 8 am.

Engineer go lunch 12 pm
Manager already outside lunch come back around 2 pm.

Then manager afternoon meeting or what. 4pm leave to attend "meeting".

Right. Sure.
During covid-19 so many external meeting at dsta ah?
More like go home early cause nobody in office to micro manage lol.

So now no more WFH.
You can see them start attending lots and lots of meeting.

Maybe the title shouldt be manager la.
Should remane to "meeting attendee".

Then meeting nobody do anything. Just end up alot of taichi. Push here push there.
All manager no use one.

So management so useless....
You want engineer to be connected to reality and grounded and low pay and loyal and forward thinking??

Change all the managers first.
How can a division of 100 people. 80% are managers. 20% are engineers.
What a joke. The correct distribution is 80% are engineers. Only 10% is managers. And 10% extra.
Some divisions ratio not that bad, managers maybe around 20% to 30%. But the uneven proportion of M grades to E grades allow the playing of political and "rank" games. Even among E6s and E5s people are already pulling seniority over one another.

Like in a team of 10, 1x M3, 3x M2, 3x M1, 1x E6, 2x E5. Who got it worst? the 2x E5.

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Old 28-04-2021, 01:00 PM
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Let's see.
If I get paid 10k per month to do nothing...
Do I really need to connect to reality? Lol...

Manager paid 10k to bullshit. Engineer paid 4k.
Manager come late at 10 am excuse is just came back from meeting... Meeting who? Nobody knows.
Engineer in office since 8 am.

Engineer go lunch 12 pm
Manager already outside lunch come back around 2 pm.

Then manager afternoon meeting or what. 4pm leave to attend "meeting".

Right. Sure.
During covid-19 so many external meeting at dsta ah?
More like go home early cause nobody in office to micro manage lol.

So now no more WFH.
You can see them start attending lots and lots of meeting.

Maybe the title shouldt be manager la.
Should remane to "meeting attendee".

Then meeting nobody do anything. Just end up alot of taichi. Push here push there.
All manager no use one.

So management so useless....
You want engineer to be connected to reality and grounded and low pay and loyal and forward thinking??

Change all the managers first.
How can a division of 100 people. 80% are managers. 20% are engineers.
What a joke. The correct distribution is 80% are engineers. Only 10% is managers. And 10% extra.
Some divisions ratio not that bad, but E5s still suffer because...

1x M3
3x M2
3x M1
1x E6
2x E5

Even in a team of 10, all the "unwanted jobs" just dump to the E5s.

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Old 28-04-2021, 01:37 PM
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Some divisions ratio not that bad, but E5s still suffer because...

1x M3
3x M2
3x M1
1x E6
2x E5

Even in a team of 10, all the "unwanted jobs" just dump to the E5s.
My division... Lol
1 M4
3 M3
4 M2
15 M1
5 E6
13 E5

Whars funny is 1 project is "contributed by"
2 M3
2 M2
3 M1
1E6
2 E5.

The M3 and M2 are basically just to take credit for the project (their Kpi) but just say a few words here and there in meeting...
3 M1 is just to assign work and give update progress to M2 so they can report to M3...
E6 is the only senior doing the work even though the M1 is supposed to be the assistant principal engineer. But they play the role of "managers also lol"

E5 is just there to help the E6 but can't do much and will leave after 1 year and also management solution to "no resource" hire clueless fresh grad...

So yep alot of Ms lining up to take credit for a project. But actually only 1 or 2 engineers doing the work.

Then alot of "projects" some no money. Some never complete for year. Some must deliver or LD and some just work on 1 project for many many years...

Abit sad...

Imagine if this division is run by engineers. Every resource is a valuable teamemeber who is contributing directly.

NOPe.

So many managers contributing 5% etc of their wisdom. And guess what....
Only those manager who are perm staff keep getting promoted after a few years.

While engineers slave away as subcon...
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Old 28-04-2021, 02:04 PM
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And in my division the E5 is also...
Project manager.
Team lead.
Software lead.
Module lead.
Database lead.

Haha all the self invented job title.

And some E5 also clueless that those job title are given by their M3 or M4 to give them some self worth la. On paper. They are still just project engineer. Lowest paid engineers.

But some don't get the hint will put in their email title..
Team lead.
Or software lead...

If they change the perception that lead are the one who get paid the lowest but do the most.
Nobody want to be "lead" la

Everyone have this delusion that lead means = higher pay. Do less. Just tell people to do.
Hence you see alot of lead. Dunno anything one. Just know how forward email
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Old 28-04-2021, 02:36 PM
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My division... Lol
1 M4
3 M3
4 M2
15 M1
5 E6
13 E5

Whars funny is 1 project is "contributed by"
2 M3
2 M2
3 M1
1E6
2 E5.

The M3 and M2 are basically just to take credit for the project (their Kpi) but just say a few words here and there in meeting...
3 M1 is just to assign work and give update progress to M2 so they can report to M3...
E6 is the only senior doing the work even though the M1 is supposed to be the assistant principal engineer. But they play the role of "managers also lol"

E5 is just there to help the E6 but can't do much and will leave after 1 year and also management solution to "no resource" hire clueless fresh grad...

So yep alot of Ms lining up to take credit for a project. But actually only 1 or 2 engineers doing the work.

Then alot of "projects" some no money. Some never complete for year. Some must deliver or LD and some just work on 1 project for many many years...

Abit sad...

Imagine if this division is run by engineers. Every resource is a valuable teamemeber who is contributing directly.

NOPe.

So many managers contributing 5% etc of their wisdom. And guess what....
Only those manager who are perm staff keep getting promoted after a few years.

While engineers slave away as subcon...
Unwillingness to promote contract staff and convert when credit is due will contribute to their succession in future.

One day they will be left with too much M graders who are unwilling to do engineer work when too many engineers leave.
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You must be joking. Are they imbeciles? From your description, they won't last a month in a MNC.
They won't last.
That's why they don't quit.
And since perm staff iron bowl... Just learn to taichi do nothing one.

I have a perm staff whose kpi is for a project that's been in research for 5 years.
Every year the kpi is say contribute to this project.

But now new management force this team to "handover" the work so a new team can innovate in existing work...

Guess what?
To the shock and disbelief of the new management. There was nothing.
LOL.

Yes a few slides of they envisioned the project to be way back in 2015.
No source code.
No prototype.
No demo.
Nothing shocking.

And guess their bullshit excuse?
They say the engineer they hire quit and didn't handover to them lol.
The new management ask why isn't there a version control.
Why there is no process.
Nobody answer anything.
Just happy to handover an imaginary research project...

The other excuse must often used is.... "not only working on this one project, so didn't focus on it. So may be 5 years but the actual work is just maybe collectively 2 months..."

Don't be surprised I see their staff one person can be working on one imaginary project for 2 years and still in analysis and design phase...

Joke sia.
Retirement village
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Old 28-04-2021, 02:54 PM
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They won't last.
That's why they don't quit.
And since perm staff iron bowl... Just learn to taichi do nothing one.

I have a perm staff whose kpi is for a project that's been in research for 5 years.
Every year the kpi is say contribute to this project.

But now new management force this team to "handover" the work so a new team can innovate in existing work...

Guess what?
To the shock and disbelief of the new management. There was nothing.
LOL.

Yes a few slides of they envisioned the project to be way back in 2015.
No source code.
No prototype.
No demo.
Nothing shocking.

And guess their bullshit excuse?
They say the engineer they hire quit and didn't handover to them lol.
The new management ask why isn't there a version control.
Why there is no process.
Nobody answer anything.
Just happy to handover an imaginary research project...

The other excuse must often used is.... "not only working on this one project, so didn't focus on it. So may be 5 years but the actual work is just maybe collectively 2 months..."

Don't be surprised I see their staff one person can be working on one imaginary project for 2 years and still in analysis and design phase...

Joke sia.
Retirement village
Lack of documented processes was quite rampant. I went in as an E5 to implement processes for business continuity. Everything was done up, even pass an external audit but it was never treated as my KPI because it did not within my job scope. I was simply arrowed the task. Promotion was passed over to another engineer who just complaint all day and night.
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Old 28-04-2021, 03:12 PM
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Unwillingness to promote contract staff and convert when credit is due will contribute to their succession in future.

One day they will be left with too much M graders who are unwilling to do engineer work when too many engineers leave.
Reading the reviews of the many JLB in STE is so shocking.
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Unwillingness to promote contract staff and convert when credit is due will contribute to their succession in future.

One day they will be left with too much M graders who are unwilling to do engineer work when too many engineers leave.
I mean contribute to their succession issues.
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