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Old 07-01-2018, 10:05 PM
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erm... no reason why i would give fake figures... I think i am doing slightly above average when compared to my peers in the organisation. But not sure how that fares when compared to the overall civil service
Can you provide your salary timeline

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2007 - fresh grad 2upper with ns - $xxxx, MX13
2008 - $xxxx - promoted to MX12 + annual increment
2009 - $xxxx - annual increment (AI)
2010 - $xxxx - AI + salary adjustment
2011 - $xxxx - AI + promotion to MX11
2012 -......etc



2017 - $8100 - MX(??)

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Old 07-01-2018, 10:46 PM
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Can you provide your salary timeline

eg

2007 - fresh grad 2upper with ns - $xxxx, MX13
2008 - $xxxx - promoted to MX12 + annual increment
2009 - $xxxx - annual increment (AI)
2010 - $xxxx - AI + salary adjustment
2011 - $xxxx - AI + promotion to MX11
2012 -......etc



2017 - $8100 - MX(??)
cannot remember every year la. only remember my first starting and my current pay.


2007 - fresh grad 2upper with ns - $3280, MX13
2008 - MX 12 (promotion/confirmation)
2010 - MX 11(promotion)
2015 - MX 11a (promotion)
2017 - MX 11a

somewhere (can't recall which years) there was a review of MX schemes and there was a 5/10% increment across the board.

Fingers crossed that i will get my MX10 this 2018!

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Actually i am not sure if whether one is from a "high" profile ministry means your pay should be higher? Reason being Ministries all have MX schemes and they have to work with their own budget as allocated by MOF for bonuses, increments, promotions etc. Dont think the "high" profile ministries get more budget.

Stand corrected if there are HR/PSD experts in this forum.
HR here. You're slightly off. The 'high profile' Ministries do get a bigger budget to work with for bonuses and so on. But, the difference is negligible unless you are AD and above.

MSF is the worst funded of the lot. A fellow HR there complains to me that they don't even get enough funding to hire permanent staff for certain roles.

MFA is the best funded. Technically they don't have as big a budget as, say, MTI, but taking into account the low number of people in comparison to their budget, they probably have the best bonuses.

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Old 08-01-2018, 10:53 AM
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Getting $3280 for 2nd upper in 2007 is above average, especially in a social ministry.
Unless you have a professional degree, ie Eng, acct etc.
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cannot remember every year la. only remember my first starting and my current pay.


2007 - fresh grad 2upper with ns - $3280, MX13
2008 - MX 12 (promotion/confirmation)
2010 - MX 11(promotion)
2015 - MX 11a (promotion)
2017 - MX 11a

somewhere (can't recall which years) there was a review of MX schemes and there was a 5/10% increment across the board.

Fingers crossed that i will get my MX10 this 2018!
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what is the average now for a fresh grad in a social ministry?
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what is the average now for a fresh grad in a social ministry?
By "fresh grad" you mean no prior work experience I assume, rather than relevant work experience but graduated recently.

Regardless of the Ministry in question, the salary range depends almost entirely on your university and academic performance. Absolute top-tier universities like Harvard, MIT, Oxford, etc., will command the highest starting pay (3.8k to- 4k). Local universities like NUS and NTU come in second (3.5k to 3.8k). Reasonably high-ranking foreign universities like the University of Tokyo will come in third (3.2k to 3.5k). Fourth place are middle-ranking foreign universities like the University of Queensland (2.5k to 3.2k). Fifth place is everyone else, including private universities like SIM (2.1k to 2.5k).

Things like volunteering and CCAs are only taken into account for actually getting you the interview and later the job. It does not affect your pay.
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By "fresh grad" you mean no prior work experience I assume, rather than relevant work experience but graduated recently.

Regardless of the Ministry in question, the salary range depends almost entirely on your university and academic performance. Absolute top-tier universities like Harvard, MIT, Oxford, etc., will command the highest starting pay (3.8k to- 4k). Local universities like NUS and NTU come in second (3.5k to 3.8k). Reasonably high-ranking foreign universities like the University of Tokyo will come in third (3.2k to 3.5k). Fourth place are middle-ranking foreign universities like the University of Queensland (2.5k to 3.2k). Fifth place is everyone else, including private universities like SIM (2.1k to 2.5k).

Things like volunteering and CCAs are only taken into account for actually getting you the interview and later the job. It does not affect your pay.
Oh and just an add-on, only 1st class honours or higher from local universities like NUS are considered to be in the second place, sometimes first place. 2nd upper is around the third places, and anything lower is relegated to the fourth and fifth places.

Likewise, if the candidate is from a foreign university, honours is not compulsory for many of their degrees. As such, this is factored into account in our calculations. But, if they took honours in a good foreign university and did well, like say first class honours from the University of Tokyo, we regard them as the same as a "first place" candidate.

I could tell you not to worry about your academics, but the truth is, we will automatically discard 80-90% of applications based off the academic profile alone. We have a fairly strict quota for interviewees that we can't go over or under, so unfortunately even if you're technically qualified, if it so happens the job posting had too many outstanding candidates, we will overlook the "just okay" candidates.


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Oh and just an add-on, only 1st class honours or higher from local universities like NUS are considered to be in the second place, sometimes first place. 2nd upper is around the third places, and anything lower is relegated to the fourth and fifth places.

Likewise, if the candidate is from a foreign university, honours is not compulsory for many of their degrees. As such, this is factored into account in our calculations. But, if they took honours in a good foreign university and did well, like say first class honours from the University of Tokyo, we regard them as the same as a "first place" candidate.

I could tell you not to worry about your academics, but the truth is, we will automatically discard 80-90% of applications based off the academic profile alone. We have a fairly strict quota for interviewees that we can't go over or under, so unfortunately even if you're technically qualified, if it so happens the job posting had too many outstanding candidates, we will overlook the "just okay" candidates.
You mentioned something interesting. You said that "only 1st class honours or higher from local universities like NUS are considered to be in the second place, sometimes first place." Noting the fact that there is nothing higher than 1st class honour, that suggests that fch graduates are split into two groups. One that gets 'first place' salary and the other getting 'second place' salary.

From my very limited knowledge of HR work, starting salary are based on honours class and not the absolute CAP of the grad (although higher CAP = higher chance of getting job). So a CAP 4.95 NUS grad should be drawing the same pay as a CAP 4.50 NUS grad. From your style of writing, it seemed that you are somewhat involved in HR work, so maybe you would like to shed some light on this.
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HR here. You're slightly off. The 'high profile' Ministries do get a bigger budget to work with for bonuses and so on. But, the difference is negligible unless you are AD and above.

MSF is the worst funded of the lot. A fellow HR there complains to me that they don't even get enough funding to hire permanent staff for certain roles.

MFA is the best funded. Technically they don't have as big a budget as, say, MTI, but taking into account the low number of people in comparison to their budget, they probably have the best bonuses.
Ah i see. Thanks for the sharing! Much appreciated!
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Hi I got a job offer from NEA for senior engineer, think 11a. Monthly salary quoted is higher than current salary in private sector. However annual bonus seems to be lower. How many more this of bonus can be expected for this rank?
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