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Old 16-03-2013, 01:59 AM
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you probably do not understand the importance of minutes taking. wait till u are in civil service, if you do get in, and you will find out what it is all about.
I am NOT disputing the importance of taking minutes. I am just saying that one doesn't need a university education to take minutes, AND that, to me it seems that university graduates could be doing more high-level stuff.

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The person who originally posted the comment probably doesn't appreciate what it takes to draft good minutes either.

I have had many painful hours vetting and amending crappy minutes from my staff (who are uni grads). Going by the way they write, you'd think some of them were doing transcripts!
Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion. Just because I think university grads shouldn't be taking minutes, does not mean that I don't appreciate what it takes to draft high quality minutes. The correlation isn't really there. I question your level of logical thinking and reasoning, and I worry that someone like you has been put in charge of vetting and amending, in your own words, "crappy minutes", because with you can't even make a simple correlation properly, so perhaps you aren't as good as you make yourself out to be.

Get off your high horse.

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Taking minutes entails not only noting the main discussion points that have taken place, but also understanding its essence, significance and even intricacies. Do you know what kind of meetings necessitates minutes taking and the people who sit in it? And do you know who may read the minutes of the meeting? If you really think it is a no brainer, you can't be further away from the truth. It requires a very sharp mind to discern the facts from the unimportant stuff. And good command of English is only one of the many prerequisites of good minutes writing.
I don't think I said that taking minutes was a "no-brainer".

But thanks for clarifying that minute taking is such an important task in the government. Hopefully adequate training is provided so that these minute takers don't screw up and embarrass their bosses. Of course, at the same time this also means potentially thousands of dollars being spent per year on training govt staff to take minutes. I wonder how the general public would feel about that if it were true.

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The person who originally posted the comment probably doesn't appreciate what it takes to draft good minutes either.

I have had many painful hours vetting and amending crappy minutes from my staff (who are uni grads). Going by the way they write, you'd think some of them were doing transcripts!
I'm the original commenter, and I just want to clarify that I do appreciate what it's like to draft proper minutes, which are not ad verbatim notes. I just feel that it can be classified as mundane stuff since it takes up a lot of time, while we have 24 hours deadline for the minutes to be drafted and approved by minister. It is important, cuz it will be taken as evidence of certain agencies agreeing to do certain work and so on...

On vetting ur staff minutes... Well I guess u just need to train your staff more? I'm not sure of the dynamics at ur work place, but my boss actually went through my first ever minutes to point out what is wrong and what should be done so that I would not make the same mistakes again... Of course some staff are just plain oblivious...
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I'm the original commenter, and I just want to clarify that I do appreciate what it's like to draft proper minutes, which are not ad verbatim notes. I just feel that it can be classified as mundane stuff since it takes up a lot of time, while we have 24 hours deadline for the minutes to be drafted and approved by minister. It is important, cuz it will be taken as evidence of certain agencies agreeing to do certain work and so on...

On vetting ur staff minutes... Well I guess u just need to train your staff more? I'm not sure of the dynamics at ur work place, but my boss actually went through my first ever minutes to point out what is wrong and what should be done so that I would not make the same mistakes again... Of course some staff are just plain oblivious...
After reading the last few posts, start having an impression that MX stands for professional Minutes-taking eXecutive. :P
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Ministry. MX(2008) scheme. MX11. got a C grade (1.75 mths).

can share your PB grade and quantum with MX grade as well?

Anyone has any idea what the merit increment will be? For my case (MX11), i am guessing $360 in April.
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MX11, B, 3 months PB.

Not sure about quantum for merit increment. Anyone want to hazard a guess?
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should be more than 300.


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MX11, B, 3 months PB.

Not sure about quantum for merit increment. Anyone want to hazard a guess?
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Wow, so or not....$360 MI for a MX11 C grader is high.

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Ministry. MX(2008) scheme. MX11. got a C grade (1.75 mths).

can share your PB grade and quantum with MX grade as well?

Anyone has any idea what the merit increment will be? For my case (MX11), i am guessing $360 in April.
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Ministry. MX(2008) scheme. MX11. got a C grade (1.75 mths).

can share your PB grade and quantum with MX grade as well?

Anyone has any idea what the merit increment will be? For my case (MX11), i am guessing $360 in April.
Wow, $360 is equal to how many % of your base salary??

How much is your current basic salary?


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Eg, Assume if your basic salary is $5000, then $360 increment will be equivalent to 7.2% increment!!! and that is even only for a "C" grader!!!!!..

Then B and A grade will get 8-9% an 10-12% increment respectively??? That is damn alot!!!!
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