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Old 20-07-2012, 11:29 AM
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I like to find out if career progression within the civil sector is tied to the qualifications you hold even with more than 5 years work experience. Say if you have a degree (not NTU/NUS/SMU) and you enter at a certain payscale, will your pay/promotion be stagnant there unless you go on to get say a Master?

Also, what is the average bonus payout for civil servants including AWS, VB, PB etc? 3 months?

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Old 20-07-2012, 11:36 AM
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Most people who post here seem very focused on only the money part of the remuneration package.

I left a job in the private sector paying 10k/month (5-7 months bonus) for a job in the public sector (Stat Board) paying only 8k/month (so far quite consistent 3.5-3.75 months bonus). I took a 2k monthly salary pay cut as well as an annual bonus pay cut of 20-30k. So I lost around more than 30k a year.

However, in my previous private sector job, worked 6 days, started work at 8am and NEVER got home before 11pm, Sunday was my sleep and recover day. I was stressed, eating unwell, and did not have much time for my wife and kids. I encashed most of my leave because I couldn't finish my leave every year.

Now, in my stat board, I work 5 days a week, start work at 8.30am and leave work at 6pm (5.30pm on Friday)! My blood pressure is lower, and I even know my son's girlfriend's name now! Before, I did not even know my boy had a girlfriend! I went to my daughter's dance performance for the first time in her life and mine, and started swimming again for the first time in ages. My family had holidays together for the first time since going to Genting with my kids more than 10 years ago.

So, was a 150k to 170k private sector job worth it versus a 120k public sector job? The choice is pretty clear right? :-)
I know that a lot of people who leave the pte sector to join the public service use the "work-life" balance argument to justify their decision and loss of income.

However, i believe that in certain cases, such as yours, the argument may be a little weak.
For high earners who used to earn >$5k/month (not inc. of bonus etc) for at least a decade in the pte sector, they would have done the proverbial, "i slog when i am young and relax when i am older". So the material luxuries would already be in place. A decrease of salary of 20% or less simply requires only an adjustment and if one had not been too spendthrift, savings and investments can make up that difference, maybe not 100% but enough.

Whereas for the mid- to low- salary earners of $2000 - 4000, a 20% decrease in salay is a lot to consider especially since any downward adjustment of lifestyle is a much sharper decline. i.e. the Opportunity Cost is much higher.

Hence, one cannot just use you as the case study for "i sacrifice $ for work-life balance" and in fact, some would go so far as to say that yours is the typical case study of "i cannot tahan liao, i go seek safe harbour with govt job".

A true case of wanting "work-life balance" and career satisification would be my buddy.
He was an engineer of nearly 10 years, in his 30s, earning about $3000-4000 (not sure if considered, low salary) and decided to do a master in counselling which is his passion. Completed it and decided to go work as a counsellor with a salary of less than $3000. Sold his car, because can no longer afford. Take bicycle to work instead. However, i have never seen him happier and more healthy. He takes part in marathons more regularly. Trains for them. Go bicycling with his wife and children and is filled with the zest of life. He had since moved into working for a ministry as a counsellor after about 3 years in counselling centre. His salary is still lower than when he was an engineer but he is still happy with no car, just a hdb and his family.

Now, this is what is truly, "worth it" and doing it for true work-life balance.

Just trying to put things into persepctive.

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Old 20-07-2012, 11:43 AM
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apply for teachers loh. the demand for teachers is very high right now, more than 2000 vacancies. i have many friends who are teachers, some teaching in jc, some sec and some pri. for those jobs with only 1 vacancy, u really need to be damn outstanding in order to stand up among all the other candidates. u could be competing with 100 of candidates over 1 position.
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cant agree more.its quite easy to get in frm wad i heard.my fren got in after a 5min interview. 5min, can u believe it haha


has it occured to people that with motication and attitudes of the people who are currently teaching that it could be a personnel issue instead of a systems one?

No system and plan, no matter how thoroughly planned out and tested etc, can be executed properly if the implementors/executors do not do it with motivation, passion and with intelligence. In fact, that would cause the system to be totally FUBAR.

And people wonder why our education system is failing.

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I like to find out if career progression within the civil sector is tied to the qualifications you hold even with more than 5 years work experience. Say if you have a degree (not NTU/NUS/SMU) and you enter at a certain payscale, will your pay/promotion be stagnant there unless you go on to get say a Master?

Also, what is the average bonus payout for civil servants including AWS, VB, PB etc? 3 months?
I only answer the 2nd question:
the average bonus payout for civil servants including AWS, VB, PB>>>I would say for average "C" performer, total annual payout inclusive AWS + mid-year + end-year + PB is around 15-16 months.
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Old 20-07-2012, 12:47 PM
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Most people who post here seem very focused on only the money part of the remuneration package............

You have family so the issue here is different from most of us who just graduated from Uni and stepping into the workforce or who wish to switch to get better pay and to youngster now, $$ seems to be more impt. Likewise I wld wish to get the most out of everything and $$ is definitely the key factor.

Seriously some ppl might not be able to accept a huge paycut. My frend who has no commitment and is wrking in an org which need to perform 3diff shift duties, PH and wkends is not guarantee rest day for him, totally hv no time for himself. He wanted a change and started looking for jobs. He draws a salary of 4K per month. Recently he went for a interview and was offer 3.3k and he is dilemma. Money or freetime?

Therefore you making a huge paycut in exchange for the time with ur family is admirable and I wld say is a brave decision. Some ppl might not see it as u noe.. $$$ is a temptation... I am glad you are happier & healthier now since you got to spend more time with your family.
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Old 21-07-2012, 11:16 AM
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nonsense... please get your facts right even if its from a "friend"
i agree with lmaohaha. with more than 2000 vacancies, how hard it is to be a teacher?
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Old 21-07-2012, 11:23 AM
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what is difference between mso and mx?
i am in stat board. i think i have mso as i see that in my salary slip.
i hold engr degree from nus
mx scheme is for degree holders while mso is poly grad.

since u have a degree, why r u a mso?
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i agree with lmaohaha. with more than 2000 vacancies, how hard it is to be a teacher?
i guess teaching is the best chance for one to be in civil sector. but then again, i hope such a system does not erode the moral values of the teaching sector...
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mx scheme is for degree holders while mso is poly grad.

since u have a degree, why r u a mso?
stat board mso is different from civil service mso.
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stat board mso is different from civil service mso.
what is stat board mso ?
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