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did a bonus projection for this yr n it seems that my effective increment (based on total annual package) from last yr is PATHETIC (1-2 %)

civil servants/stat board peeps, i suggest u do the same...

here's how i did it:

since mid yr bonus (2011) was 0.5mth and mid yr bonus (2012) was 0.3 mth, a rough estimation of year-end AVC (2012) wld be 0.6 x 0.75 (ie AVC for 2011) = 0.45mth

add AWS of 1mth : 0.3 + 0.45 + 1 = 1.75mths

add estimated PB -- i suppose u can use ur PB (2011) value to simplify things

Originally Posted by Unregistered

MX11 colleague promoted to dy head after 15 years in a few home teams. apparently, no increment? o_O can someone shed some light?

think that's called a redesignation, which is different from promotion.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

think that's called a redesignation, which is different from promotion.

if the job grade is no change, mean still at MX11, mean no change in salary too.

redesignation is like changing of job scope, aka job rotation.

the ceiling for MX11 is $7909.

[cslee]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Distance learning means those online or mail correspondence degree?

If yes, then government do not recognize. You will be considered as PSLE or N Level, something like Div 3 blue collar.

not necessarily true. still possible to get appointed with Div I positions if got special skills that are not easily obtained and is required by the job scope.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's a well known secret in all GLCs that only >M4 is considered managerial staff during talent review. With the title inflation, most M5 - M6 are known as Directors or VP now though...

MX13 - fresh degree grad earning slightly over $2000 (poor or no honours) can be admin manager in MOE schools.
MX12 - most are either managers or at least assistant managers
MX11 - Senior managers
MX 10 - Asst or snr asst directors.

MSO - retiree uniformed personnel employed as ops managers in schools. or snr lifeguards as customer service or swimming complex managers.

every other person is a manager in civil service

Even bus drivers are called BUS Captains.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

MX13 - fresh degree grad earning slightly over $2000 (poor or no honours) can be admin manager in MOE schools.
MX12 - most are either managers or at least assistant managers
MX11 - Senior managers
MX 10 - Asst or snr asst directors.

MSO - retiree uniformed personnel employed as ops managers in schools. or snr lifeguards as customer service or swimming complex managers.

every other person is a manager in civil service

Even bus drivers are called BUS Captains.

I remember during the 80s and 90s, to be called a Manager, you have to fulfil criterias like:

1) Accountability for P&L
2) Management of department budget
3) Authortiy to sign off significant expenses, represent co. in negotiation
4) Got a sizable team of professionals under you (those with only blue collar subordinates only qualify to call Supervisor)
5) Manage a large scale project or process
6) Authority to hire, fire, promote and groom your subordinates
7) Pay in 2012 terms min 10k monthly

Now base on my observations a typical civil service / stat board / GLC / some inflated MNC "manager":

1) No accountability for P&L or budget at all, most do not even know their dept cost centres
2) Besides signing off SOP admin documents, have totally no authority to decide on expenses
3) No subordinates or a few old bird low educated clerks "parked" under them for show
4) Performing junior executive administrative procedures
5) Have totally no say in how they run their people (if any)
6) 3k -5k monthly pay

Originally Posted by Unregistered

MX13 - fresh degree grad earning slightly over $2000 (poor or no honours) can be admin manager in MOE schools.
MX12 - most are either managers or at least assistant managers
MX11 - Senior managers
MX 10 - Asst or snr asst directors.

MSO - retiree uniformed personnel employed as ops managers in schools. or snr lifeguards as customer service or swimming complex managers.

every other person is a manager in civil service

Even bus drivers are called BUS Captains.

base on home affair MX scheme, I suppose the guideline for MX13 is around there from the website in 2012.

Pass Degree(which is the lowest pass of the degree)
$3,088 with NS/$2,720 non-NS

In the past, policemen wear shorts.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I remember during the 80s and 90s, to be called a Manager, you have to fulfil criterias like:

1) Accountability for P&L
2) Management of department budget
3) Authortiy to sign off significant expenses, represent co. in negotiation
4) Got a sizable team of professionals under you (those with only blue collar subordinates only qualify to call Supervisor)
5) Manage a large scale project or process
6) Authority to hire, fire, promote and groom your subordinates
7) Pay in 2012 terms min 10k monthly

Now base on my observations a typical civil service / stat board / GLC / some inflated MNC "manager":

1) No accountability for P&L or budget at all, most do not even know their dept cost centres
2) Besides signing off SOP admin documents, have totally no authority to decide on expenses
3) No subordinates or a few old bird low educated clerks "parked" under them for show
4) Performing junior executive administrative procedures
5) Have totally no say in how they run their people (if any)
6) 3k -5k monthly pay

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In the past, policemen wear shorts.

in the past, ministers make 50k a month. now they make a little bit more.

does anyone know the rank of E-4 in ST? I Was talking to one of my friends over coffee and we kinda were having a heated discussion pertaining to rank structure. Can anyone advised what "Rank" is E-4 with regards to qualifications and promotion prospects?