Lawyer Salary

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Should I (3PQE) stay in a B4 M&A team or move over to one of the smaller foreign law alliance tie ups. What are the prospects of landing a full international firm spot?

B4 m&a no future. Of course you should move.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry bro, a simple check on LinkedIn is suffice to know that there are a handful that were offered internships and training contract at the big four firms. Didn’t see any doesn’t mean there’s none.

Big 5 u mean?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Big 5 u mean?

Yes that’s correct. And also pigs can fly.

So this thread has moved from overseas vs local, to Fervent bashing, and now to Dentons Rodyk bashing?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So this thread has moved from overseas vs local, to Fervent bashing, and now to Dentons Rodyk bashing?

How else would this thread comprise of near 2k posts? Got so much to talk about salary meh? Honestly it would be so good if we could shift to Reddit to build a community of lawyers alas this industry is filled with conniving and cut throat individuals.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Should I (3PQE) stay in a B4 M&A team or move over to one of the smaller foreign law alliance tie ups. What are the prospects of landing a full international firm spot?

just keep applying to the real firms - hiring is slow now but get yourself out there comfortable with talking about yourself and experience.

if you’re drew or r&t then you can be less picky since these firms don’t show up on the radar for the mc / big us outfits

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Big 5 u mean?

What’s 6, 7, 8?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry bro, a simple check on LinkedIn is suffice to know that there are a handful that were offered internships and training contract at the big four firms. Didn’t see any doesn’t mean there’s none.

That’s heartening to know. Thanks

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Totally inaccurate assumptions. Not to diss on SUSS lah, I know it's meant to fulfill a specific purpose.

NUS, SMU as "old line" unis generally aren't reputable merely because they are "old". Age is no way a determining factor, otherwise SMU would've taken 50 years to catch up with NUS in repute, which is clearly not the case.

It's the cachet of intellectual concentration, research output, repute of the academic body etc.

Let's concentrate only on law as a discipline (i.e. ignore business, accounting, econs, computing).

SMU has done a good job attracting lots of high quality academics in a very short span of time and contributing to industry conversations and CLE programmes (SMU Law Academy), various think tanks and specialized research centres and cutting edge areas of law, e.g. data governance and AI and law, dispute reso, computational law.

SUSS was set up purely to be a vocational teaching law school. While there will be ancillary or sporadic research output from its faculty for sure (as a byproduct of being a legal academic), there is no way it will attract top notch intellectual capital to output the kinds of research necessary to propel it to a top tier law school.

As a vocational law school, SUSS merely has to be "good enough", and "good enough" means teaching its students sufficiently rigorously to qualify as lawyers in Singapore.

But to pretend that SMU and SUSS are even on the same trajectory as organizations, or have the same objectives as higher education/tertiary institutes, is widely off the mark. Your starting premise is already erroneous.

Truth is if the government wants it to be on par with smu ranking it can and would be done eventually as the per the speech given by pm Lee at Suss opening. After all it is set up by the ministry of law and boost of the best lawyers in the industry, some of whom graduated from Harvard. What the naysayers say here is what smu students gotten when the school was established in 2000 and law in 2007. Nth new folkes, just plain old lame Singaporeans bashing each other since 1967.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

just keep applying to the real firms - hiring is slow now but get yourself out there comfortable with talking about yourself and experience.

if you’re drew or r&t then you can be less picky since these firms don’t show up on the radar for the mc / big us outfits

That’s surprising to hear; that drew or r&t don’t show up on the radar for mc / white shoe firms.