Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Agreed.

At the end of the day what matters most is whether you're happy or not and you wake up everyday thinking "ok time for work!" instead of "wa CB KNN work like DOG again"


no point making 6 figs, OTING like a dog and wondering why the f you're losing hair everytime you take a shower in the morning.

haha so true.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

By this argument, then the rest of the public service is better already

Teacher scheme same or slightly poorer than average CS

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If geo3 to geo4 takes years, then we are basically getting something close to our starting salary for years (with some adjustment for inflation). Teachers deserve better.

The truth is that promotions have slowed down considerably in recent years, and anecdotally it is the geo3 to geo4 promotions that are hardest hit. In my school there are several geo3s that have been sitting on the pay ceiling for a few years already. They're not bad teachers either, but they're not super outstanding and/or wayang kings.

At least teachers still can teach tuition on the side to supplement income. The other civil servants can't do that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The truth is that promotions have slowed down considerably in recent years, and anecdotally it is the geo3 to geo4 promotions that are hardest hit. In my school there are several geo3s that have been sitting on the pay ceiling for a few years already. They're not bad teachers either, but they're not super outstanding and/or wayang kings.

This especially hits those who joined around 2015 onwards.

The more experienced teachers (7-8 years or more) don’t really feel this because they would have gotten their GEO 4/5 relatively more quickly. In the past, it was not uncommon to go from GEO3 (GEO1A1) to GEO 4 (GEO1A2) in a year or two. Now, it can take 4-5 years or even more, even for hardworking teachers!

Moreover, there were service wide salary increments every 4-5 years. I’m 2015, it was 4-9%. In 2012, it was 5-15%. There was something in 2008 too. The last one is in 2015 (which BTs did not get), so anyone who joined 2015 and later have not had service wide increments before.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

At least teachers still can teach tuition on the side to supplement income. The other civil servants can't do that.

Not true anymore. Principals approval is needed - which is like saying not allowed. Civil servants also can ask for approval for side hustle or give tuition - but of course no one asks if they can moonlight.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Teacher scheme same or slightly poorer than average CS

In terms of overall compensation, EOs will still be better off than those at equivalent grade on MX scheme. This is the same as how specialised schemes are paid higher than MX (general) scheme. However, this does not mean that EOs are paid the same or better than other specialised schemes.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In terms of overall compensation, EOs will still be better off than those at equivalent grade on MX scheme. This is the same as how specialised schemes are paid higher than MX (general) scheme. However, this does not mean that EOs are paid the same or better than other specialised schemes.

Yes that’s true, BUT EOs are promoted at slower rates. So EOs would reach the equivalent MX grade later

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Not true anymore. Principals approval is needed - which is like saying not allowed. Civil servants also can ask for approval for side hustle or give tuition - but of course no one asks if they can moonlight.

It's the same as the old rule of not being allowed to teach more than 6 hours of tuition per week. No one really bothers enforcing these rules, but of course, one needs to be discreet as well.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's the same as the old rule of not being allowed to teach more than 6 hours of tuition per week. No one really bothers enforcing these rules, but of course, one needs to be discreet as well.

So it’s not that it’s allowed, but that it’s “illegal”?