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Old 05-10-2022, 07:35 PM
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The only way to make middle management jobs worth it (monetarily) is to sit on the position for years and years, to give yourself enough time to climb to/near the top of the range.

Otherwise, HOT all the way. Top of the GEO5 scale is a respectable 8k plus now. To get C grade every year is really very easy. Why eat so much more shiat everyday and risk your backside doing firefighting every morning, evening and weekends just to draw 9k at SEO1?
SEO1 is now 10k

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SEO1 is now 10k
10k is the ceiling. You should know how many years of slogging it takes to reach the ceiling, especially nowadays when merit increments are depressed.

Even if you were at the previous GEO5 ceiling of 7.8k, and newly promoted to SEO1, you will only be at 8.3k. Let's say you get an average merit increment of +230 a year.. how many years will you take to hit 10k? And don't forget that the closer you get to the ceiling, the smaller the merit increments become.

It's a long, long, long time. SEO1 is not an instant 10k. For many years you will have a rather small pay gap with the people who report to you.

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10k is the ceiling. You should know how many years of slogging it takes to reach the ceiling, especially nowadays when merit increments are depressed.

Even if you were at the previous GEO5 ceiling of 7.8k, and newly promoted to SEO1, you will only be at 8.3k. Let's say you get an average merit increment of +230 a year.. how many years will you take to hit 10k? And don't forget that the closer you get to the ceiling, the smaller the merit increments become.

It's a long, long, long time. SEO1 is not an instant 10k. For many years you will have a rather small pay gap with the people who report to you.
Most of GEO5 to SEO1 promotees aren't at GEO5 ceiling. They are usually younger. So yeah lor it takes SUPER long unless you move up to HOD appointment and beyond.

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10k is the ceiling. You should know how many years of slogging it takes to reach the ceiling, especially nowadays when merit increments are depressed.

Even if you were at the previous GEO5 ceiling of 7.8k, and newly promoted to SEO1, you will only be at 8.3k. Let's say you get an average merit increment of +230 a year.. how many years will you take to hit 10k? And don't forget that the closer you get to the ceiling, the smaller the merit increments become.

It's a long, long, long time. SEO1 is not an instant 10k. For many years you will have a rather small pay gap with the people who report to you.
Has the promotion increment been factored in
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$20 off from ceiling means not at ceiling right? My guess is still have to wait out at least one more year??
You can be stuck at the ceiling of your subgrade indefinitely without getting a promotion. Hit ceiling doesn't mean auto promote.
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You can be stuck at the ceiling of your subgrade indefinitely without getting a promotion. Hit ceiling doesn't mean auto promote.
yeah.can be indefinitely
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yeah.can be indefinitely
If you are a mid career switcher, it's a common issue. MOE usually starts mid-career switchers at GEO3. If they have a lot of relevant past experience, they will start near the ceiling and end up stuck at the ceiling for some time while they serve out the minimum time in grade.

If you are a 1st career teacher but are stuck at the ceiling of geo3 or geo4.. then you have below average advancement prospects. If you are not aspiring to climb the ladder, no big deal. If you want to climb the ladder, maybe redirect your energy and aspirations elsewhere.
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Hello

Does anyone here know if non-kps and kps are ranked together?
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Does anyone here know if non-kps and kps are ranked together?
Staff of same grade will be ranked against each other, regardless of appointment.

So GEO4 KP are very likely to get A/B, unless they're seriously underperforming.
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Staff of same grade will be ranked against each other, regardless of appointment.

So GEO4 KP are very likely to get A/B, unless they're seriously underperforming.
yes correct. same grade stacked together.
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