NCS (SingTel subsidiary)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I took a counter offer before. Got a more competitive salary plus company moved my job scope towards more of what I wanted to do which also help me progress better in the company. Accepting a counteroffer may help your situation as sometimes its a way for both sides to realign expectations when sometimes things are just swept under the carpet

Can check with you the counter offer you took is with NCS?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If the progression is there and it aligns to what you want why not

Thanks. I told them I'll take weekend to reconsider.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Never accept a counter offer, if you resign means the company knows that you will leave anytime. Chances are, you'll be first on chopping board during restructuring.

Thanks. That's what every articles I google points to.

My worry is mgmt may give me what I "request" for this time but moving forward, chances are will not groom me and career will hentak kaki cepat hentak. At my age, I'll be in a worst position if it indeed happen.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks. That's what every articles I google points to.

My worry is mgmt may give me what I "request" for this time but moving forward, chances are will not groom me and career will hentak kaki cepat hentak. At my age, I'll be in a worst position if it indeed happen.

Of course that is going to happen. Put yourself in the shoes of your management. Lets say this employee comes to u and requests for counter offer. You will have these thoughts:
Can i afford to lose him? What exactly is his job scope and how long do i need to retain him until i can finally let him go? Eg. Is he doing crucial work on this project? How long is this project? Are there someone who i can onboard and he can transfer knowledge to this person fast?

Lets say there is no one and the project is coming to an end in 2months. I only need to retain this person for that 2 months. Lets give him what he wants, eg. 30% increment. And get rid of him after 2 months. That 30% will be more than enough to tide him over that other role, and will be high enough such that he feels appreciated etc and wont be too much of a cost to the company since im planning to get rid of him in 2 months.

You may think it is cold hearted etc but this is the reality. Im a manager. And whenever attrition is happening and candidate asks for counter offer, these are the considerations we would have.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can check with you the counter offer you took is with NCS?

Yes it was from NCS. I have since progressed well in the company. It goes back to why you wanted to quit. If its because of some misalignment in the things you are doing and both parties can work together and solve such that you get what you want and company can offer then it’ll be fruitful for both parties. Key thing here is it shouldnt just be for money. Definitely not true that career would hentak kaki. I had a RO who wanted to retain quality ppl. Afterall, its not good for the company to lose well performing employees who they have been training and alr understand the company way of business.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes it was from NCS. I have since progressed well in the company. It goes back to why you wanted to quit. If its because of some misalignment in the things you are doing and both parties can work together and solve such that you get what you want and company can offer then it’ll be fruitful for both parties. Key thing here is it shouldnt just be for money. Definitely not true that career would hentak kaki. I had a RO who wanted to retain quality ppl. Afterall, its not good for the company to lose well performing employees who they have been training and alr understand the company way of business.

that's nice to hear. also saw NCS' new transformation yesterday and the rebranding and all. seems like a good move and great potential to join NCS

Originally Posted by Unregistered

that's nice to hear. also saw NCS' new transformation yesterday and the rebranding and all. seems like a good move and great potential to join NCS

Oh ya I saw they hired many new senior management to drive the transformation

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Oh ya I saw they hired many new senior management to drive the transformation

It is not the senior management, but the bulk of the lower and middle management that requires a huge change too.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Of course that is going to happen. Put yourself in the shoes of your management. Lets say this employee comes to u and requests for counter offer. You will have these thoughts:
Can i afford to lose him? What exactly is his job scope and how long do i need to retain him until i can finally let him go? Eg. Is he doing crucial work on this project? How long is this project? Are there someone who i can onboard and he can transfer knowledge to this person fast?

Lets say there is no one and the project is coming to an end in 2months. I only need to retain this person for that 2 months. Lets give him what he wants, eg. 30% increment. And get rid of him after 2 months. That 30% will be more than enough to tide him over that other role, and will be high enough such that he feels appreciated etc and wont be too much of a cost to the company since im planning to get rid of him in 2 months.

You may think it is cold hearted etc but this is the reality. Im a manager. And whenever attrition is happening and candidate asks for counter offer, these are the considerations we would have.

Have to agree. Once put on table, very unlikely for both parties to pretend it never end.
Mgmt will also start to preapre for your replacement, either a new hire or someone in the company to "take over" you in case you leave again.

This is affect trust

to me la it is like sim lim level 1 shop. you rebrand your store name but the ppl working inside is the same.