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Old 21-07-2015, 11:16 PM
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Dont really understand this discussion about the 7k. I m 32 and drawing slightly more than that. Don't see anything special about myself either. Just the run of the mill uni grad with decent honours and am part of the civil service rank and file.
Are you in mx11 or mx11a?

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Old 22-07-2015, 10:18 AM
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Dont really understand this discussion about the 7k. I m 32 and drawing slightly more than that. Don't see anything special about myself either. Just the run of the mill uni grad with decent honours and am part of the civil service rank and file.
My conclusion then is that civil servants are overpaid.

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Old 22-07-2015, 11:14 AM
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My conclusion then is that civil servants are overpaid.
Please apply to join if you think so. Same goes for any private sector job. If you think the job is overpaid, wouldn't you want to apply and get overpaid too? Or perhaps you were rejected and feeling bitter? I'm not shy to say I was rejected from bank jobs which would have also "overpaid" me. What to do? I wasn't good enough. Had to settle for something that paid less.

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Old 22-07-2015, 01:31 PM
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Anyone working in*MOH (policy)? How's the working environment like? Is it very long hours n demanding? Political?
Which MX level is AD there, and what's the salary range? Do they have SAD in between before DD? Thanks
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Old 22-07-2015, 05:30 PM
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My conclusion then is that civil servants are overpaid.
Agreed. I have no problems with civil servants earning high salaries, but what irks me most is many of them constantly moaning how they are underpaid or that their careers will stagnate at a certain DD level etc. What profit-oriented pte company will give "salary adjustments" to benchmark to industry every few years? Most of us in the pte sector can be content with a 3% pa increment even if our company is raking in hundreds of millions in bottom line..... but not hitting budget numbers.

What makes civil servants think that with their irrelevant skillset can be transferred into top management positions (ie HOD or C-level earning $200k pa and above) in the pte sector? Don't they know that most of these positions in MNCs are taken up by FTs that they don't have to contend with in the CS? It's a hard truth that MNCs prefer nationals of their own HQ origins to take up top positions in their regional HQs and offices.... after that we still have to contend with the lesser FTs like Indians and Pinoys, who you may realise after some time that may or may not be more than bags of hot air.

These generals parachuting into GLCs are deluding their judgement....
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Old 23-07-2015, 04:07 AM
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Agreed. I have no problems with civil servants earning high salaries, but what irks me most is many of them constantly moaning how they are underpaid or that their careers will stagnate at a certain DD level etc. What profit-oriented pte company will give "salary adjustments" to benchmark to industry every few years? Most of us in the pte sector can be content with a 3% pa increment even if our company is raking in hundreds of millions in bottom line..... but not hitting budget numbers.

What makes civil servants think that with their irrelevant skillset can be transferred into top management positions (ie HOD or C-level earning $200k pa and above) in the pte sector? Don't they know that most of these positions in MNCs are taken up by FTs that they don't have to contend with in the CS? It's a hard truth that MNCs prefer nationals of their own HQ origins to take up top positions in their regional HQs and offices.... after that we still have to contend with the lesser FTs like Indians and Pinoys, who you may realise after some time that may or may not be more than bags of hot air.

These generals parachuting into GLCs are deluding their judgement....
A quick search in Linkedin does show otherwise though and surprise! There are exceptions. A number of long serving CS/PS joined eg. foreign banks in very senior roles and I doubt these private large companies are that dense in not knowing what CS/PS entails...

Generalisation is easy but most forget or do not realise that CS/PS does not automatically translate into irrelevance. A low morale demotivated or lousy employee in a large private company with no desire to move out of his/her comfort zone and not learning anything/very limited or specific job scope is equally irrelevant, even for CS/PS. Bottomline - it is up to oneself to make the best of your career, wherever you are.


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My conclusion then is that civil servants are overpaid.
Its strange - why are there not more people applying to CS if thats the perception?
Doesn't make monetary sense to sux in the underpaid (by comparison) job in private sector.
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I would ask for others not to assume that a civil svc job involves long lunches, many pantry and kopi breaks etc. i am in a policy role and work 930 to 830pm five days a week. Urgent work still needs to be tended to over the weekends. There is also the usual red tape, pushing around of work and decisions by other divs, turf guarding, bosses taking out their frustrations on you etc. Take it as justifications for the salary.
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Its strange - why are there not more people applying to CS if thats the perception?
Doesn't make monetary sense to sux in the underpaid (by comparison) job in private sector.
I'm sure most rank and file in the pte sector would jump at joining the CS, but high flyers would probably not. However many civil servants here seem to think that their AD/SAD/DD jobs sucks and they can jump right into a high paying pte sector job easily. While it may be possible like you said but the stark reality out there is different..
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I would ask for others not to assume that a civil svc job involves long lunches, many pantry and kopi breaks etc. i am in a policy role and work 930 to 830pm five days a week. Urgent work still needs to be tended to over the weekends. There is also the usual red tape, pushing around of work and decisions by other divs, turf guarding, bosses taking out their frustrations on you etc. Take it as justifications for the salary.
No doubt, I have no qualms about civil servants earning how much they do. Some are deserving and some are not, much like the pte sector.

Reality check:
Some guy here mentioned that as a "run of the mill uni grad with decent honors and part of the CS rank and file" he earned $120k at 32 years old.. almost unheard of in the pte sector!(disclaimer: excludes IB, consultancy, professionals like lawyers, doctors, etc)
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