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Old 29-09-2014, 09:24 PM
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It seems tat u learned a lot during ur stay there so I tink its was still worth it ba. Functional role? Can to share some generic details? Seems like the policy work folks still remain highly employable in the context of the public sector despite 1 year break in btw.
Right now it's more of project management, where we execute pre-determined policy directions and do liaison work with external counterparts. More operational, but with some leeway for our own improvisation where applicable. Like I mentioned, the SB is quite large and there is possibility to join other departments to do other areas of work after 3 years. I foresee myself staying for as long as I possibly can.

Given the shock and exposure from the first job, you will learn to appreciate your next one better. Haha at least that's the case for me. As for employability, not necessarily so. Like I mentioned, I applied for 3 SB positions, the 2 who rejected me had the same job scope as my first job. (my own theory is that they know the nature of the job causes people to burn out quite fast, and they probably will prefer hiring fresh grads). Given the niche nature of the job, it was also near impossible to find a similar role in the private sector, thus going back to PS was the clearest choice.

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Old 29-09-2014, 09:28 PM
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Yes I was in a policy role, and truth be told for a first job to take on writing policy or stating a stand, being prepared to be shot down by your boss and go through alot of ding-dong with your bosses and senior management, it's really quite overwhelming for a fresh grad. If I could use an analogy, it's like throwing you into the deep end of a pool when you haven't really even mastered threading water.

Still it was great exposure and I got to work with really committed and intelligent people. It also helped me discover what I didn't really enjoy doing, and what I could foresee myself doing in the future. Some of the colleagues I worked with really put in the effort and hours to get to where they are, but of course there is also the small handful who rise up the ranks purely by virtue of the scholar route.

I'm doing more of a functional role now, which is a little similar to what I used to do, but has a larger operational aspect to the job.
Ah. Nice to meet someone who have had more or less the same experience. Agree with what is said here - both about the learning curve, and also about getting to work with amazing, committed and intelligent folks.

For me, I've too moved on to a more functional role but still work very closely with those in Policy. Knowing their set of rationale/concerns makes working really does empower those down the stream (i.e. execution).

Deadlines are deadlines. Some are realistic, and some are ridiculous. 3/4 AM OT tends to be seasonal, but working at home until 9/10 PM is rather normal. That was so for me back then, at least.

All in all, you need to be comfortable with writing. Copious amounts of writing. And I think this is the third time I said this now, but you would definitely need to be comfortable with your paper being discussed (in some cases, torn apart). The bright side of all these is, as the other contributor shared, you learn a LOT in Policy. I am not sure where else one can learn as much but then again I could be biased, since I started out in Policy and all.

Hope this helps you, as well as all others who are or may be considering a career in Policy.

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R the deadlines given realistic? How often does a policy need to be revised or a new policy formulated on average? Is the insane OT u mentioned seasonal? Or does it happen all the time? I took a quick look at the policies for the sb tat I m interviewing for n agree that it cannot be rushed out given the level of complexity n detail inside.
Apart from writing papers, policy officers have to carry out secretariat and staffing duties too. Takes up quite a lot of time.

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Right now it's more of project management, where we execute pre-determined policy directions and do liaison work with external counterparts. More operational, but with some leeway for our own improvisation where applicable. Like I mentioned, the SB is quite large and there is possibility to join other departments to do other areas of work after 3 years. I foresee myself staying for as long as I possibly can.

Given the shock and exposure from the first job, you will learn to appreciate your next one better. Haha at least that's the case for me. As for employability, not necessarily so. Like I mentioned, I applied for 3 SB positions, the 2 who rejected me had the same job scope as my first job. (my own theory is that they know the nature of the job causes people to burn out quite fast, and they probably will prefer hiring fresh grads). Given the niche nature of the job, it was also near impossible to find a similar role in the private sector, thus going back to PS was the clearest choice.
Were you doing strategic planning or international relations at the ministry? They are popular places for burnt out cases.
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Were you doing strategic planning or international relations at the ministry? They are popular places for burnt out cases.
Yes u are spot on. Did IR and it's extremely demanding. And the JD didn't even mention anything about 'able to cope with tight deadlines' or 'able to work under high paced environment'. it's only after you're in it then you get swarmed by the shear amount of things going on daily. My department were mostly fresh grads, and it was kinda good to know you're not the only one struggling. But undoubtedly some really good learning experience
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Yes u are spot on. Did IR and it's extremely demanding. And the JD didn't even mention anything about 'able to cope with tight deadlines' or 'able to work under high paced environment'. it's only after you're in it then you get swarmed by the shear amount of things going on daily. My department were mostly fresh grads, and it was kinda good to know you're not the only one struggling. But undoubtedly some really good learning experience
Does your new role in the SB involve regular interactions with the financial industry?
Are you in a developmental or regulatory role? Wondering whether you have found IR experience useful for your SB role.
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Does your new role in the SB involve regular interactions with the financial industry?
Are you in a developmental or regulatory role? Wondering whether you have found IR experience useful for your SB role.
New role is developmental, IR experience was relevant for my current job, and I am more like the middle-man interacting with my organisation's colleagues, who in turn interact more with the industry players.
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Right now it's more of project management, where we execute pre-determined policy directions and do liaison work with external counterparts. More operational, but with some leeway for our own improvisation where applicable. Like I mentioned, the SB is quite large and there is possibility to join other departments to do other areas of work after 3 years. I foresee myself staying for as long as I possibly can.

Given the shock and exposure from the first job, you will learn to appreciate your next one better. Haha at least that's the case for me. As for employability, not necessarily so. Like I mentioned, I applied for 3 SB positions, the 2 who rejected me had the same job scope as my first job. (my own theory is that they know the nature of the job causes people to burn out quite fast, and they probably will prefer hiring fresh grads). Given the niche nature of the job, it was also near impossible to find a similar role in the private sector, thus going back to PS was the clearest choice.
For the two SBs which rejected to, did the rejection come only after they granted your interviews or did they reject you without granting interviews?
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New role is developmental, IR experience was relevant for my current job, and I am more like the middle-man interacting with my organisation's colleagues, who in turn interact more with the industry players.
Relevant in terms of soft skills, communication skills, coordination skills?

IR requires a lot of coordination, protocol and staffing (including writing briefs) work, right?
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For the two SBs which rejected to, did the rejection come only after they granted your interviews or did they reject you without granting interviews?
Yes one rejected me after i went for the interview, the other just didnt get back to me at ll. But call it blessing in disguise, this SB im currently in was the one which i had assumed to be hardest to get into. Haha
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