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Old 05-03-2013, 09:50 PM
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u will join as a Manager.

One exception will be govt scholars. They will return from their studies as AD.

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Hi everyone!!

I'm about to graduate this May and I'm interested in joining the civil service. So far, I've sent out my application to various positions. But as I was applying, I noticed that are some positions listed as 'Asst Director/Manager'...

My question(s) are:

1. As a a fresh grad, is it true that I'm more likely to enter the service as manager than Asst Director?

2. If I'm asked about my pay expectations, how much should I say? For instance, if I request for 3.5K for the aforementioned position is that alright?

3. Let's say, I get the job. Will they pay me in accordance to the pay I requested or would they pay me in accordance to the civil service pay grade?

Thanks in advance!!

p.s. For my honors, I'm set to get a 2nd upper.

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Old 06-03-2013, 01:35 AM
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Given the (sometimes rather generous) annual increments that even non-scholars in the civil service seem to enjoy, I was wondering, do these non-scholars ever reach a point where they no longer get an increment?

I seem to recall a few people saying that there are pay ranges for each position e.g. Asst Mgr, Mgr, Asst Dir, and so on. So what happens when a non-scholar reaches the high end of their pay range but isn't promoted? Do they then no longer get an increment? And if so, if they continue to be stuck at whatever position they have attained until retirement, does it mean they never get an increment, EVER?

It would be great if someone in the know could clarify, many thanks

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Technically u are right. There are salary ranges tagged to each grade, e.g. MX11, MX10 and so on. (Appointments such as manager and AD are just appointments so it is more accurate use such grades as a reference)

However, the situation usually won't pan out in an 'awkward' manner which you have illustrated (can't find a better description than awkward...hee). What happens is that the annual increment will be very gradual and there will be promotions from time to time. Eventually, assuming the non-scholar's highest attainable grade is MX10, that will limit the salary to a ceiling of around 10-11K or thereabouts. Upon reaching this point, he/she wont get any further increments (which you are right). This may take place at the age of late 40s or early 50s.

But do note that many non-scholars do have a potential of MX9 and below, meaning that they will eventually reach super-scale. Think of that as the Principal or vice-Principal grade in a MOE school. This will enable them to breach the 11K salary threshold. I can't recall the upper limit but you can scour this forum for it.

In my opinion, although civil servants may not earn as much as doctors, lawyers and bankers, but they (or rather, we...hahaha) do get paid 'decently'. I am not as clever as these people so I am happy to be a civil servant. haha.


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Given the (sometimes rather generous) annual increments that even non-scholars in the civil service seem to enjoy, I was wondering, do these non-scholars ever reach a point where they no longer get an increment?

I seem to recall a few people saying that there are pay ranges for each position e.g. Asst Mgr, Mgr, Asst Dir, and so on. So what happens when a non-scholar reaches the high end of their pay range but isn't promoted? Do they then no longer get an increment? And if so, if they continue to be stuck at whatever position they have attained until retirement, does it mean they never get an increment, EVER?

It would be great if someone in the know could clarify, many thanks

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Old 06-03-2013, 07:35 AM
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Do all civil servants make 10-11k eventually? Even non-HOD teachers?

That's about 150k a year including bonuses. High!
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:31 AM
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Let us not use the term 'all' because it is not mathematically correct. But many (degree holders) do attain this range if they work long enough. For the case of non-HOD teachers, the senior teachers actually have an alternative path called specialist track (or something similar)

There will be endless debates about the magnitude of the salary. If you say it is high, people will flood this forum with doctors' pay and lawyers' salary and what have you. Conversely, if you say it is low, there will be other benchmarks (perhaps engineers? haha. Again, that is contentious)

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Do all civil servants make 10-11k eventually? Even non-HOD teachers?

That's about 150k a year including bonuses. High!
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Let us not use the term 'all' because it is not mathematically correct. But many (degree holders) do attain this range if they work long enough. For the case of non-HOD teachers, the senior teachers actually have an alternative path called specialist track (or something similar)

There will be endless debates about the magnitude of the salary. If you say it is high, people will flood this forum with doctors' pay and lawyers' salary and what have you. Conversely, if you say it is low, there will be other benchmarks (perhaps engineers? haha. Again, that is contentious)
So, typically, how many years does it take these degree holders (assuming non-scholars) to reach 10k?
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I need some clarifications,

Is SAF Regulars considered under 'Civil Service'?
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Let us not use the term 'all' because it is not mathematically correct. But many (degree holders) do attain this range if they work long enough. For the case of non-HOD teachers, the senior teachers actually have an alternative path called specialist track (or something similar)

There will be endless debates about the magnitude of the salary. If you say it is high, people will flood this forum with doctors' pay and lawyers' salary and what have you. Conversely, if you say it is low, there will be other benchmarks (perhaps engineers? haha. Again, that is contentious)
based on my personal observations ( i do not have hard data), 8k will be the ceiling for normal white collars in civil service.
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My non-scholar colleagues who are in their late 30s to mid 40s earn around 7 to 8+K. I believe that they will hit around 9-10K in their late 40s or early 50s. I know that some of them have the CEP to reach super-scale grades.

I am not sure whether soldiers are considered civil servants or not but in general Mindef operates in a different way. They do have more resources and autonomy. I dont work in Mindef so I cannot comment much. But I do notice that they have their own guidelines and regulations as compared to the other Ministries.

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So, typically, how many years does it take these degree holders (assuming non-scholars) to reach 10k?
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My non-scholar colleagues who are in their late 30s to mid 40s earn around 7 to 8+K. I believe that they will hit around 9-10K in their late 40s or early 50s. I know that some of them have the CEP to reach super-scale grades.

I am not sure whether soldiers are considered civil servants or not but in general Mindef operates in a different way. They do have more resources and autonomy. I dont work in Mindef so I cannot comment much. But I do notice that they have their own guidelines and regulations as compared to the other Ministries.
That is useful info, thanks for sharing. Looks like quite a decent pay even for non-scholars.
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