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Old 02-12-2020, 10:49 PM
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u are not wrong in that it boils down to one's capability. That's one of the factors. But if u go deeper, it is the same reason why some had gone to certain unis and the rest did not. The other factor being that where one comes from counts. It adds up in terms of CEP and progression. It is too simplistic to think that it is not a factor. Similarly, i wont argue that being a non-scholar, i can outshine an AO if i am more capable than him/her. It just doesnt work that way.



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hmm.. you may be right but honestly i do not have the stats.
what i can share is if you are capable at your work domain, with good writing and presentation skills, you will likely be recognised and move up the ladder..

whether you are local U or not

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adding on, if you are doing well, that is good. no ill intentions at all.

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u are not wrong in that it boils down to one's capability. That's one of the factors. But if u go deeper, it is the same reason why some had gone to certain unis and the rest did not. The other factor being that where one comes from counts. It adds up in terms of CEP and progression. It is too simplistic to think that it is not a factor. Similarly, i wont argue that being a non-scholar, i can outshine an AO if i am more capable than him/her. It just doesnt work that way.


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adding on, if you are doing well, that is good. no ill intentions at all.
certainly. its a good discission here and i agree with you that local u and scholar will still have advantage over the rest.
but i see that the gap had narrowed down and the more emphasis had shifted towards skillset/capabilities instead of the old way - academic

the purpose of my post is to encourage everyone from non local u (who are in PS or CS) to give yourself a chance, work hard and move up the ladder. if you have the mindset that no matter how well you do, you will never overtake local u, then you had already lose at the start of the race.

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Hi, got an offer under MOF. MX12 3.9k. got 1 year plus exp with big 4. NS, 2nd upper, local uni. is it reasonable?

i feel like it's a little lowballing. heard that those under MA prog, gets 4.2k for fresh grads.
update: received a conditional offer. confirm they are offering 3.9k, but based their annual package on 15.5-month basis (which of course will be lower due to covid). should i continue to slog in big 4 given that bonus and increment is uncertain, or just take on this job, with lesser progression? still feel kinda lowballed cos of covid unfortunately

FYI: they offered me on a 2-year contract basis
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certainly. its a good discission here and i agree with you that local u and scholar will still have advantage over the rest.
but i see that the gap had narrowed down and the more emphasis had shifted towards skillset/capabilities instead of the old way - academic

the purpose of my post is to encourage everyone from non local u (who are in PS or CS) to give yourself a chance, work hard and move up the ladder. if you have the mindset that no matter how well you do, you will never overtake local u, then you had already lose at the start of the race.
The fact is, if you are a scholar, your MINIMUM outcome is Director. If you are a farmer, your MAXIMUM is Director.
Below Director, there is room for all sorts and backgrounds. But don't assume you'll move up the ladder at the same rate or end up at the same level.
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Old 03-12-2020, 09:38 AM
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I guess u are right. I'm a farmer from local uni. I can't expect more than a Director's post.

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The fact is, if you are a scholar,

your MINIMUM outcome is Director. If you are a farmer, your MAXIMUM is Director.
Below Director, there is room for all sorts and backgrounds. But don't assume you'll move up the ladder at the same rate or end up at the same level.
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update: received a conditional offer. confirm they are offering 3.9k, but based their annual package on 15.5-month basis (which of course will be lower due to covid). should i continue to slog in big 4 given that bonus and increment is uncertain, or just take on this job, with lesser progression? still feel kinda lowballed cos of covid unfortunately

FYI: they offered me on a 2-year contract basis
What does 15.5 months package means? Sorry quite new to the working world
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What does 15.5 months package means? Sorry quite new to the working world
It means 12 mths salary + 1 mth of 13th mth "bonus" + 2.5 mths of other bonuses
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Hi, got offered a 2 yr contract with 3.1K salary in a SB. Fresh grad, local uni, 2nd lower, no NS. Is the salary too low?
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Hi, got offered a 2 yr contract with 3.1K salary in a SB. Fresh grad, local uni, 2nd lower, no NS. Is the salary too low?
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