SIM-UOL fresh grad starting pay

Originally Posted by newbi3

Then if that is the case, what's the big hooha about NUS not employing their own PHD students?

It's all lies la how can they not employ their own PhD student?When you ask local U student for proof they won't have any to support their hypothesis.they would probably say oh because he doesn't have bachelor degree from local U even though he has PhD from local that's when you must say go fork yourself la....

That doctor is a prime example of a role model for a guy in SIM who wants to achieve high in life.All local U guys can do is stfu and accept the fact.

Instead they say oh local U doesn't accept their own PhD students.Idiots.They trying to make up **** to put him down.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's all lies la how can they not employ their own PhD student?When you ask local U student for proof they won't have any to support their hypothesis.they would probably say oh because he doesn't have bachelor degree from local U even though he has PhD from local that's when you must say go fork yourself la....

That doctor is a prime example of a role model for a guy in SIM who wants to achieve high in life.All local U guys can do is stfu and accept the fact.

Instead they say oh local U doesn't accept their own PhD students.Idiots.They trying to make up **** to put him down.

u sound like a kpop idol teenage fangirl

lol. i'm an sim uol grad. nothing great. but i'm earning more than local grads, same age, and 2nd upper class hons. now you'll say, their increment is going to be more and they'll catch up with me. lol, gap is too big to get caught.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

lol. i'm an sim uol grad. nothing great. but i'm earning more than local grads, same age, and 2nd upper class hons. now you'll say, their increment is going to be more and they'll catch up with me. lol, gap is too big to get caught.

omg nice. and my pay's more than LHL.

time for recess now boy.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's all lies la how can they not employ their own PhD student?When you ask local U student for proof they won't have any to support their hypothesis.they would probably say oh because he doesn't have bachelor degree from local U even though he has PhD from local that's when you must say go fork yourself la....

That doctor is a prime example of a role model for a guy in SIM who wants to achieve high in life.All local U guys can do is stfu and accept the fact.

Instead they say oh local U doesn't accept their own PhD students.Idiots.They trying to make up **** to put him down.

this is what i call SIM DELUSION - its a symptom that only exist for people, usually singaporeans who attend sim. they are deluded into thinking that they are graduates, with a degree. damm tok kong.

hello, take a step back. if you can enter nus/ntu, would you have gone to SIM? hell, you didnt do that well in poly to make it, so just accept the fact.

it is a FACT that no local uni will rehire their PhDs. in a non-teaching capacity maybe, but definitely not as a professor. btw, sims dont even have profs. gee. whatever. happy thinking you are a legitimate graduate.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

omg nice. and my pay's more than LHL.

time for recess now boy.

now school holidays

Firstly, I am an SMU student.

I have observed that most of the bickering centralises around these three topics:

1) Is an SIM degree a degree?
2) Is UOL-LSE comparable to LSE?
3) Do top SIM students gain places at top UK universities?
4) Recommendations for all private degree students

1) Is an SIM degree a degree?

A degree from Stanford > a degree from LSE > a degree from SMU/STUD/NTU/NUS > a degree from SIM > other private degrees

When employers say that they want a "degree holder", it goes without saying that they do not mean any programme that churns out a certificate with the 6 letter word "degree" printed on it.

Obviously, they want a certain standard of degree. Different employers have different cut-offs! Certain jobs or programmes, such as an MA programme at a local bank, state that they require at least a 2nd upper degree. It would be silly to take "2nd upper degree" literally. Does it mean any 2nd upper degree? No! They generally mean a 2nd upper degree from SMU/STUD/NTU/NUS. Does it mean that you must have a 2.1 or 1.1 printed on your degree? No. If you are a 2nd lower from Stanford, they will probably consider you too. This is because Stanford is considered to be much higher tier than the local unis. It is perceived that a 2nd lower Stanford student who goes to SMU/STUD/NTU/NUS will get a 1st class.

Is an SIM degree is a degree? Taken literally, it is.

Is it is wrong if you tell other people that you are a degree holder? No it is not wrong. You are a degree holder.

However, understand that certain employers(esp govt) when they state "degree programme", they mean SMU/STUD/NTU/NUS tier degree and above. Certain overseas degrees won't be considered sufficient even if you studied at their campus. An SIM degree might not be considered to be of a comparable tier.

On the bright side, SIM is probably the most recognised private degree in Singapore. Hence, SIM degree holders have an advantage over other private degree holders.


2) Is UOL-LSE comparable to LSE?
No. The truth is harsh.

LSE only gives the UOL-LSE distant learning programme direction, just like how Wharton gives SMU direction when it started and how MIT gives SUTD direction. SMU doesn't even bother mentioning about Wharton anymore since it is now well established. Is the NUS-Yale programme a Yale degree? It is not. NUS-Yale students recognise that and will never complain about employers preferring Yale students over them. Unfortunately, there seems to be some disillusion that plaques certain UOL-LSE students into thinking that their degree is an LSE degree. A UOL-LSE degree is a UOL degree, just like how an NUS-Yale degree is an NUS degree.

The most common myth I hear is that UOL-LSE students are COMPETING against students at LSE. When you score an A for a UOL-LSE exam, you did better than students at LSE.

Well, are you taking your exams after midnight? If you're not, how can you be sitting for the same paper? Do you think the LSE students are taking their exams at odd hours to synchronise with the DL programmes?

The truth is, the exam is set by LSE, but you are not competing with LSE students! If you think that you are receiving an LSE standard of education, you are not. Bluntly put, LSE cannot put UOL-LSE DL students through the same academic rigour because they are not as smart as their students. Just like how NUS-Yale programme students are not as smart as Yale students, obviously they are not studying the same content.

3) Do top SIM students gain places at top UK universities?
Yes they do. There is news about this lying all around.

4) Recommendations for all private degree students
Your degree is generally perceived as a lower tier than other degrees. Besides getting a first class for your degree, what can you do to step up your game?

a) Do internships. Use work experience to close the gap. Internships also give you an opportunity to prove that you are better than the ordinary private degree student (that is, if you are).

b) Network. Join networking events.

c) Gain external accreditation. Such as CFA, ACCA, etc. Learn something that will set you apart, like a foreign language. If you are really good, follow the route of top SIM students and take a masters at a top UK university.

d) If government organisations don't recognise your degree, then screw them. Go private. Choose an area which you can excel. Some organisations are flatter than others.

TLDR:
1) Is an SIM degree a degree?
Yes.
2) Is UOL-LSE comparable to LSE?
No.
3) Do top SIM students gain places at top UK universities?
Yes.
4) Recommendations for all private degree students
Do other stuff to compensate your weaker degree and avoid govt institutions.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's all lies la how can they not employ their own PhD student?When you ask local U student for proof they won't have any to support their hypothesis.they would probably say oh because he doesn't have bachelor degree from local U even though he has PhD from local that's when you must say go fork yourself la....

That doctor is a prime example of a role model for a guy in SIM who wants to achieve high in life.All local U guys can do is stfu and accept the fact.

Instead they say oh local U doesn't accept their own PhD students.Idiots.They trying to make up **** to put him down.

Not just local uni, other top tier universities worldwide also practice this.

SIMians are simply nowhere near level, so they think it is all imaginary.

Simply amusing.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Firstly, I am an SMU student.

I have observed that most of the bickering centralises around these three topics:

1) Is an SIM degree a degree?
2) Is UOL-LSE comparable to LSE?
3) Do top SIM students gain places at top UK universities?
4) Recommendations for all private degree students

1) Is an SIM degree a degree?

A degree from Stanford > a degree from LSE > a degree from SMU/STUD/NTU/NUS > a degree from SIM > other private degrees

When employers say that they want a "degree holder", it goes without saying that they do not mean any programme that churns out a certificate with the 6 letter word "degree" printed on it.

Obviously, they want a certain standard of degree. Different employers have different cut-offs! Certain jobs or programmes, such as an MA programme at a local bank, state that they require at least a 2nd upper degree. It would be silly to take "2nd upper degree" literally. Does it mean any 2nd upper degree? No! They generally mean a 2nd upper degree from SMU/STUD/NTU/NUS. Does it mean that you must have a 2.1 or 1.1 printed on your degree? No. If you are a 2nd lower from Stanford, they will probably consider you too. This is because Stanford is considered to be much higher tier than the local unis. It is perceived that a 2nd lower Stanford student who goes to SMU/STUD/NTU/NUS will get a 1st class.

Is an SIM degree is a degree? Taken literally, it is.

Is it is wrong if you tell other people that you are a degree holder? No it is not wrong. You are a degree holder.

However, understand that certain employers(esp govt) when they state "degree programme", they mean SMU/STUD/NTU/NUS tier degree and above. Certain overseas degrees won't be considered sufficient even if you studied at their campus. An SIM degree might not be considered to be of a comparable tier.

On the bright side, SIM is probably the most recognised private degree in Singapore. Hence, SIM degree holders have an advantage over other private degree holders.


2) Is UOL-LSE comparable to LSE?
No. The truth is harsh.

LSE only gives the UOL-LSE distant learning programme direction, just like how Wharton gives SMU direction when it started and how MIT gives SUTD direction. SMU doesn't even bother mentioning about Wharton anymore since it is now well established. Is the NUS-Yale programme a Yale degree? It is not. NUS-Yale students recognise that and will never complain about employers preferring Yale students over them. Unfortunately, there seems to be some disillusion that plaques certain UOL-LSE students into thinking that their degree is an LSE degree. A UOL-LSE degree is a UOL degree, just like how an NUS-Yale degree is an NUS degree.

The most common myth I hear is that UOL-LSE students are COMPETING against students at LSE. When you score an A for a UOL-LSE exam, you did better than students at LSE.

Well, are you taking your exams after midnight? If you're not, how can you be sitting for the same paper? Do you think the LSE students are taking their exams at odd hours to synchronise with the DL programmes?

The truth is, the exam is set by LSE, but you are not competing with LSE students! If you think that you are receiving an LSE standard of education, you are not. Bluntly put, LSE cannot put UOL-LSE DL students through the same academic rigour because they are not as smart as their students. Just like how NUS-Yale programme students are not as smart as Yale students, obviously they are not studying the same content.

3) Do top SIM students gain places at top UK universities?
Yes they do. There is news about this lying all around.

4) Recommendations for all private degree students
Your degree is generally perceived as a lower tier than other degrees. Besides getting a first class for your degree, what can you do to step up your game?

a) Do internships. Use work experience to close the gap. Internships also give you an opportunity to prove that you are better than the ordinary private degree student (that is, if you are).

b) Network. Join networking events.

c) Gain external accreditation. Such as CFA, ACCA, etc. Learn something that will set you apart, like a foreign language. If you are really good, follow the route of top SIM students and take a masters at a top UK university.

d) If government organisations don't recognise your degree, then screw them. Go private. Choose an area which you can excel. Some organisations are flatter than others.

TLDR:
1) Is an SIM degree a degree?
Yes.
2) Is UOL-LSE comparable to LSE?
No.
3) Do top SIM students gain places at top UK universities?
Yes.
4) Recommendations for all private degree students
Do other stuff to compensate your weaker degree and avoid govt institutions.

Thanks for the hard truths. LKY would be proud. A bunch of people wasting time debating over whose paper is better quality. Meanwhile a FT with a piece of paper from SPU is taking our jobs.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks for the hard truths. LKY would be proud. A bunch of people wasting time debating over whose paper is better quality. Meanwhile a FT with a piece of paper from SPU is taking our jobs.

Obviously a low self-esteem SIMian. Who else will write 1500 word essay justifying a purchased degree on some anonymous forum?