Lawyer Salary

Originally Posted by Unregistered

On the topic of bad recruiters, please avoid the following

Dhvani Doshi from Hays (I called inquiring about a role, she told me she would call me back in 10 minutes..... it's been 3 weeks surprise surprise)

Paulin Tan from ANSA (kept telling me there was a role that I could be a candidate for and never got back to me)

Anyone got similar bad experiences

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I know it is a bad time to quit a job but I think it has reached a point where I need to walk out of the place that is making me unhappy. I know that myself and many of my colleagues are all replaceable since there are plenty of bright eyed graduates looking to replace us.

I want to ask how difficult it is to start out your own law firm and how long do you have to wait to get 15k a month. I am definitely going to have a huge pay cut plus I do not think I can bring over clients since most of my clients are currently big corporations.

It is going to be difficult to start your own law firm, especially if you were an assoc from Big4, MC, WS or mid-sized boutique firms, because these clients follow the firms and sometimes, the partners, but not the assocs who are essentially legal grunts. Starting your own law firm requires a strong network, clients that will follow you wherever you go.

Problems arise as firstly, if you were an assoc in those above-mentioned firms, you would not even have much spare time to even network and build connections. And secondly, most Singaporeans are reserved and meek, contented to do background work. To have clients follow you wherever you go, you cannot just simply be good at your work, but also be excellent in your personal service. After all, the legal industry is a service-oriented industry.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It is going to be difficult to start your own law firm, especially if you were an assoc from Big4, MC, WS or mid-sized boutique firms, because these clients follow the firms and sometimes, the partners, but not the assocs who are essentially legal grunts. Starting your own law firm requires a strong network, clients that will follow you wherever you go.

Problems arise as firstly, if you were an assoc in those above-mentioned firms, you would not even have much spare time to even network and build connections. And secondly, most Singaporeans are reserved and meek, contented to do background work. To have clients follow you wherever you go, you cannot just simply be good at your work, but also be excellent in your personal service. After all, the legal industry is a service-oriented industry.

That’s why those associates who went small or those one or two man firm can build their own connections easier and can start out their own practice after 3 years

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That’s why those associates who went small or those one or two man firm can build their own connections easier and can start out their own practice after 3 years

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

That’s why those associates who went small or those one or two man firm can build their own connections easier and can start out their own practice after 3 years

Not just that. Small firms force associates to manage clients personally, which is an essential soft skill that many lack. From that, Balancing clients' expectations while maintaining your own sanity is a soft skill that many lawyers lack.

Many lawyers are academically brilliant but have zero EQ or soft skills, more so for those associates at the prestigious firms because they are shielded from such. In the end, they end up as being too brusque that antagonizes clients or overly pandering to clients' unreasonable demands.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That’s why those associates who went small or those one or two man firm can build their own connections easier and can start out their own practice after 3 years

To add on, small firms are excellent starting points for aspiring litigators. Conducting your own EIC, client management and appearing before registrars during your early years help to build confidence, experience and a very thick skin.

Whereas in big firms, the liti associates don't have much opportunities to brush up on advocacy and stuck to doing background research, which can be detrimental. Advocacy is a skill that requires you to open your mouth and not just be a good academic researcher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

U are not being fair to the others in the list who did not do it to u. By casting the net wide n even suggesting anyone of them could have done it, this is really misleading cowardly and defamatory.

Have some balls n name the person.

Well said!!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Agreed about Dhvani Doshi from Hays - Rude, entitled and impatient. Randomly calls you up for roles then never updates you and ghosts entirely. RUDE.

Emily Tan from Formative Search - This woman will literally harass you lmao. If you turn down a role, she will keep asking you WHY WHY WHY and ask if you can intro any friends who might be interested. Sometimes she even pretends as if she had mandate from the firm/company to act and search for a candidate. Anyhow max.

Sophie de Blauwe from Taylor Root - Will chat you up and get you hyped for a role, then ghost you. I heard her strategy is she lines up several candidates and sends the weaker ones in first to suss out the interviewers/what kind of questions would they ask/etc to prep her stronger ones later.

Melvin Ling from Hudson - I only learnt about this guy because he randomly cold called me on my office phone without even reaching out to me on LinkedIn first. Spoke to him for 5 mins and felt damn tired, clearly doesn't even know what he's doing or what the legal industry is about.

Awaiz Iqbal from Interlink Recruitment - OMG AVOID THIS GUY. Just like Emily, he anyhow pretend he has mandates and will randomly splice together random partner profiles to cobble up a JD for you. He once asked my friend whether she was interested in a role with XYZ department in my firm, which didn't even exist so I asked to see the JD - lo and behold, he just anyhow threw a few partners (from entirely different depts) and claimed they were hiring for that specific dept lol.

Lucy Kennerley from Leap29 - She will be very nice to you if she needs your profile/cv but when you try to ask her about roles she's posted, she'll be damn cold to you and say they not hiring for your profile lol.

Eng Chang from Space Exec - Talk a lot but clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, has a throw **** until it sticks method i.e. he will spam you with roles or talk you up about them when you're clearly unsuitable.

i had to block emily tan after she sent me one too many imaginary/outdated roles lol. and as OP said, yes she will shamelessly pester you if you try to say no to her and then turn around and ask if you have any friend who's interested. unprofessional and desperate.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Please avoid, they have been trying to fill the role for 9 mths+ and have not gound anyone. They ask for new grads but expect them to know everything at the start..... aka forced cheap labour

I spoke to Cresco before - the guy running it is arrogant and rude. Wasted my time there.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i had to block emily tan after she sent me one too many imaginary/outdated roles lol. and as OP said, yes she will shamelessly pester you if you try to say no to her and then turn around and ask if you have any friend who's interested. unprofessional and desperate.

I got ever kena recruiter approach me for a role in my own firm n practice group wtf