Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The OP said "most teachers"... "most teachers" are on the GEO not the SEO scale. OP is clearly wrong about about "most teachers" having a 5 digit base salary in mid-30s/early 40s. Besides, SEO-scale officers are not necessarily at 5 digit.

Colleagues who are following this thread either (i) don't take OP's claim seriously, or (ii) are sufficiently irritated to reply and clarify. Since you are attempting to defend OP's claim, I can only conclude you're not in the service... so why are you on this forum...?

You are being so defensive just because you refuse to believe that a good amount of staff in service can reach such figures if not by mid-30s then by their 40s.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hahahahaha. Emails flying around during weekends... yes, very hardworking. But doing this too much (when there are no real emergencies) just reflects poor foresight, poor planning and poor resource management on the part of the leaders. Sometimes the SLs push without giving enough time and resources. Sometimes it's the KPs themselves who can't juggle all their marbles.

Ah yes, when geo3 and 4 are working beyond school hours, it's because they are overworked despite being being very capable individuals who are working miracles.

But when SEO1 and 2 are working on weekends, it's because they don't have foresight, poor planners and don't know how to plan properly. And yet, people here get oh so upset when the hypocrisy gets pointed out. Sure we get paid more but that doesn't mean that we're not just as overworked, perhaps even more so.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You are being so defensive just because you refuse to believe that a good amount of staff in service can reach such figures if not by mid-30s then by their 40s.

Nah not true. In fact if you look at the salary table, none of the data points are drawing 10k base yet, despite holding appointments such as SH and HOD and having 15 years of service. It takes very long to reach 10k base if you are not a special high flyer.

Normal teachers max out at GEO5 or GEO5A, which have salary caps below 9k. Since normal teachers make up the bulk of the education service, most teachers will not be able to draw 10k base under today's (or any previous) salary scales.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ah yes, when geo3 and 4 are working beyond school hours, it's because they are overworked despite being being very capable individuals who are working miracles.

But when SEO1 and 2 are working on weekends, it's because they don't have foresight, poor planners and don't know how to plan properly. And yet, people here get oh so upset when the hypocrisy gets pointed out. Sure we get paid more but that doesn't mean that we're not just as overworked, perhaps even more so.

Not original commenter but neither of these are the ideal state. Why should geo3, geo4 be working 80 hour weeks? Why should KPs be working 80 hour weeks? Just stop validating and glorifying it. Change the culture slowly.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Degree/PGDE/DipEd
#years EXCLUDE NIE phase / contract teaching phase:

18 yrs, female, NIE grad, SEO1 (HOD), 9.8k
15 yrs, male, PGDE, SEO1 (HOD), 9.4k
16 yrs, female, Dip Ed, emplacement to degree during 8th year, GEO 4, 6k
12 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO5, 7.4k
11 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO5 (SH), 7.6k
9 yrs, female, HOD, NUS grad, GEO5, about 7k plus (she said it's below 8k)
8 yrs, male, GEO5, SH, 7.5K
8 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO 4, 6.1k
8 yrs, male, PGDE local FCH, GEO 3, 6.2k
8 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.9k
6 yrs, male, PGDE Overseas degree, GEO5 6.6k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO5 6.7k
6 yrs, male, PGDE local degree (HQ officer), GEO4 6.3k
6 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO4 (SH new), 6k
6 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 6.2k
6 yrs, female, Dip Ed, GEO3, 3.9k (no more emplacement)
5 yrs male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.5k (int SH)
5 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.1k
5 yrs, female, PGDE, GEO3, 5.1k
4 yrs, female, NIE grad, GEO3, 5.4k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.6k
4 yrs, male, NIE grad, GEO4, 5.3k
3 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO3, 5.4k
3 yrs, male, PGDE, GEO3, 5.7k

Mid-Careers
Will be helpful to indicate the following
#years in private, #years in MOE:

4 yrs private, 15 yrs MOE, mid-career, GEO5, 7.99K
13 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO5A, 8.5k (increment 5 to 5A was only $200)
4 yrs, female, mid-career, GEO3, 6.1k
1 yr, female, mid-career, GEO3, 5.9k
4 yr, female, mid-career, GEO4, 5.5k

Can I ask with this kind of salary, how do you all afford a 2k car
Pretty sure most teachers are 10k. Most of them drive

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can I ask with this kind of salary, how do you all afford a 2k car
Pretty sure most teachers are 10k. Most of them drive

These are the data teachers here have provided. I think it has been very generous of them to share their own information.

If you want to continue being clueless and misinformed, please stop coming here and commenting retarded stuff. Stop spreading misinformation too.

Perhaps if you're really so adamant yet curious, go and ask the Minister directly?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Not original commenter but neither of these are the ideal state. Why should geo3, geo4 be working 80 hour weeks? Why should KPs be working 80 hour weeks? Just stop validating and glorifying it. Change the culture slowly.

Its not about validating. It's about people who are convinced that geo3 and 4 do all the work while people in the higher ranks just shake leg and collect money every month. People need to understand that overwork is a systemic issue and not your SH/HOD dumping their work on you.

You guys were literally given 2.5 days off from work for National Day but decide to come here and argue about workload. 😒

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You guys were literally given 2.5 days off from work for National Day but decide to come here and argue about workload. 😒

Day off your head. It is still a working day, although the tempo is a bit reduced because students are at home. Marking, exam paper setting, T&L prep, MOE HQ work still continues.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Day off your head. It is still a working day, although the tempo is a bit reduced because students are at home. Marking, exam paper setting, T&L prep, MOE HQ work still continues.

Ok then make good use of your time and finish your work la.
Still got time to come here and complain as if moe care lol