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Originally Posted by Unregistered

The title is tied to the grade. However, not all ministries and SBs use the same grade and title respectively. Higher grades will have a salary range crossing over to the next grade.

Anyone from HR? Can give more insights.

What insights you want? It differs across agencies. For example my wife is an AD with total compensation at 150k, but there are other ADs in other statboard or ministry with much lesser.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's not bad already. For me,

NEA (Engineer)
Year 0 - 4.5k [NX13]
Year 1 - 4.6k (No grade, slight adjustment)
Year 2 - C, 5k (Emplaced to permanent) [NX12]
Year 3 - B, 5.3k
Year 4 - B, 5.8k (In-grade promotion) [NX12A]

Background - NS, straight As from top JC, FCH and masters in engineering from top overseas university, non-scholar.

NEA has a separate ranking session for scholars where the majority of high CEPs and performance grades are reserved for them, leaving the farmers to fight over scraps - this is what they don't tell you, and is blatantly contrary to what PSD claims publicly. It is a direct consequence of the scholar retention KPI, which is a major KPI for HR - HR will get into trouble if too many underperforming scholars quit because they are ranked poorly.

During my time, presented to and hosted forums with SM Teo, HCS Leo Yip and two other PSes multiple times while being secretariat of 3 concurrent CEO-level inter-ministry/bilateral forums (most people only do one secretariat duty at a time). Left because my CEP never changed from the default in 4 years (i.e. same CEP as someone who coasted along doing the bare minimum). The average scholar got similar performance grades and higher CEP with far less work, while certain scholars got higher performance grades and Group Director (NX8) CEP within 2 years, also with less work.

Good exposure and starting pay, bad career prospects. Bad senior management who lied to me to wait it out in the hope that things would get better (when they knew very well that it wouldn't); good middle managers who told me my CEP and encouraged me to leave (even helped me with job referrals) since there was no future for non-scholars and I would only end up working for them while they got the credit.

So true.. where did you move on to? Private sector? Any pay cut and how's the progression now? Is it difficult to transition to private sector which has lesser work life balance etc.?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What insights you want? It differs across agencies. For example my wife is an AD with total compensation at 150k, but there are other ADs in other statboard or ministry with much lesser.

What agency/sb is this?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's not bad already. For me,

NEA (Engineer)
Year 0 - 4.5k [NX13]
Year 1 - 4.6k (No grade, slight adjustment)
Year 2 - C, 5k (Emplaced to permanent) [NX12]
Year 3 - B, 5.3k
Year 4 - B, 5.8k (In-grade promotion) [NX12A]

Background - NS, straight As from top JC, FCH and masters in engineering from top overseas university, non-scholar.

NEA has a separate ranking session for scholars where the majority of high CEPs and performance grades are reserved for them, leaving the farmers to fight over scraps - this is what they don't tell you, and is blatantly contrary to what PSD claims publicly. It is a direct consequence of the scholar retention KPI, which is a major KPI for HR - HR will get into trouble if too many underperforming scholars quit because they are ranked poorly.

During my time, presented to and hosted forums with SM Teo, HCS Leo Yip and two other PSes multiple times while being secretariat of 3 concurrent CEO-level inter-ministry/bilateral forums (most people only do one secretariat duty at a time). Left because my CEP never changed from the default in 4 years (i.e. same CEP as someone who coasted along doing the bare minimum). The average scholar got similar performance grades and higher CEP with far less work, while certain scholars got higher performance grades and Group Director (NX8) CEP within 2 years, also with less work.

Good exposure and starting pay, bad career prospects. Bad senior management who lied to me to wait it out in the hope that things would get better (when they knew very well that it wouldn't); good middle managers who told me my CEP and encouraged me to leave (even helped me with job referrals) since there was no future for non-scholars and I would only end up working for them while they got the credit.

how is it possible my mans got a FCH AND masters and still not be a scholar lmao

Originally Posted by Unregistered

how is it possible my mans got a FCH AND masters and still not be a scholar lmao

Because at 18 years old he didn't sign scholarship with them?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

how is it possible my mans got a FCH AND masters and still not be a scholar lmao

OP. Possible. My point in posting here is that despite my background and exposure (and I don't think many fellow farmers could match that), I still got a default CEP.

With NEA's entrenched system of reserving a quota of CEPs and performance grades for scholars, I doubt any fellow farmers can get rewarded better. Classic example of using the wrong initiative (reserving CEPs and KPIs for scholars) to bump up the scholar retention rate, instead of actually focusing on solving the root cause of why the *good* scholars are quitting.

But at the end of the day, management only looks at overall statistics, while the public complains about why the public service is deteriorating day by day - because the good scholars are leaving, and the bad ones are staying. After all, with the good scholars gone, the bad ones will take over their share of high CEPs and performance grades.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

OP. Possible. My point in posting here is that despite my background and exposure (and I don't think many fellow farmers could match that), I still got a default CEP.

With NEA's entrenched system of reserving a quota of CEPs and performance grades for scholars, I doubt any fellow farmers can get rewarded better. Classic example of using the wrong initiative (reserving CEPs and KPIs for scholars) to bump up the scholar retention rate, instead of actually focusing on solving the root cause of why the *good* scholars are quitting.

But at the end of the day, management only looks at overall statistics, while the public complains about why the public service is deteriorating day by day - because the good scholars are leaving, and the bad ones are staying. After all, with the good scholars gone, the bad ones will take over their share of high CEPs and performance grades.

hmmm i quite disagree with your last paragraph, the way you make it sound like its chicken or egg situation - i mean to say i dont think public service deteriorates as a result of good scholars leaving. but i digress, not what i wanted to discuss.

my intention behind my original response to you is - with a FCH did you not apply for scholarships? and surely with a FCH you can do much better than being a farmer least of all with NEA? just curious how this turned out for u.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Because at 18 years old he didn't sign scholarship with them?

i mean yea but there are mid-term scholarships and a whole bunch of other scholarships available.

all i know is if i had FCH, scholar or not, no way id be content w being just a farmer.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Some manager roles only 4K+ especially for certain ministries that use assistant managers and managers very loosely. A lot of fresh grads start out with assistant manager and get fresh grad salary yet there are also ppl with many years of experience at assistant manager position getting 5k plus. Job title means nothing. Your salary grade is more important.

OP asked about EDB Manager specifically and I work there, why you chup in with all this irrelevant nonsense omg

Graduated from local uni second upper in EE around last year, joined lta 5 months ago as project engineer, considering getting PE cert after working few more years but have read that PE cert won't guarantee higher salary increments . Any advise?