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Old 03-11-2020, 11:58 AM
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Very true, there are many ex-lawyers who have carved out a great career ex law for themselves. Case in point is Alvin Tan, an entrepreneur in the creative arts industry and an up and coming social media influencer who's not afraid of asking the 'hard' questions in his AMA.
People like Alvin Tan are indeed the movers and shakers of our times. There are many people who fail to make it, whether they stay in law or they quit. It is only the brave ones like him who are able to stand for themselves and thrive. Alvin Tan, is indeed the hero of today.

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oh yes, that would be very cool. Although such an influencer would have to be both really intelligent and engaging for him/her to maintain his/her followers. Look at Charles Yeo for example. He was an interesting figure in the beginning but he lacked substance which made me bored of him real quick.
yeah. i know what you mean.

I'd very much like a discussion about imran rahim, defamation and poha. Like a discussion on why one and not the other.

I think a discussion on previous contempt of court cases would also be interesting (lhl's nephew) - the legal issues and the court judgments. Not the political bullshit.

Or an analysis on why the doctors appeal was successful and defamation was made out.

I think a lot of the news just doesn't do justice to the actual legal workings behind the scenes.

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People like Alvin Tan are indeed the movers and shakers of our times. There are many people who fail to make it, whether they stay in law or they quit. It is only the brave ones like him who are able to stand for themselves and thrive. Alvin Tan, is indeed the hero of today.
Alvin Tan is arguably one of the more illustrious NUS Law alumni in recent history to have made it big internationally, without some expensive and practically useless LLM to compensate for a lack of self-worth. Lawyers looking to leave legal practice should look no further for a upstanding role model who exudes confidence and poise whether in a suit or without.

Another NUS Law alumni of equal standing who has succeeded outside law is Razer CEO Tan Min Liang. The exit options are plentiful indeed.

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Just read through most of the posts here. To share some insights, it does not matter what kind of law you practise, as long as you have your own book. The book determines whether you become a partner or stuck at senior associate. Many times I have seen brilliant minds being stuck at SA for so long, because they do not network to know more people and build a loyal following of clients.

I knew of a SA who used to work as an assoc in a big 4 for years but is still stuck at SA in a smaller firm because she has no book to speak off. She is just an efficient grunt who can labour for the firm but does not bring additional businesses. A community law practitioner can amass a thick book, set up own firm after years of practice, earn a substantial amount per month and still enjoy work-life balance. And small firms like these incur lesser overheads. I know a few who don't even have secretaries, so their take-home pay is comparable to big firm partners.

Unfortunately, Singaporeans have no lack of IQ but lack EQ, which is needed to build your book.
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Alvin Tan is arguably one of the more illustrious NUS Law alumni in recent history to have made it big internationally

Another NUS Law alumni of equal standing who has succeeded outside law is Razer CEO Tan Min Liang. The exit options are plentiful indeed.
NUS Law alumni are indeed the ones who are exceptional and making Singaporeans proud. Major respect for these two, especially for Alvin Tan who stood out despite competing with all Caucasians in the international field. Just search for his name online and you see many videos of his spectacular work and creation. Before you comment, one video of his might be just four times your billing hour.
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Just read through most of the posts here. To share some insights, it does not matter what kind of law you practise, as long as you have your own book. The book determines whether you become a partner or stuck at senior associate. Many times I have seen brilliant minds being stuck at SA for so long, because they do not network to know more people and build a loyal following of clients.

I knew of a SA who used to work as an assoc in a big 4 for years but is still stuck at SA in a smaller firm because she has no book to speak off. She is just an efficient grunt who can labour for the firm but does not bring additional businesses. A community law practitioner can amass a thick book, set up own firm after years of practice, earn a substantial amount per month and still enjoy work-life balance. And small firms like these incur lesser overheads. I know a few who don't even have secretaries, so their take-home pay is comparable to big firm partners.

Unfortunately, Singaporeans have no lack of IQ but lack EQ, which is needed to build your book.
This is true.
But life without a seccy is quite terrible. Don't do this, not recommended. lol.
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Just read through most of the posts here. To share some insights, it does not matter what kind of law you practise, as long as you have your own book. The book determines whether you become a partner or stuck at senior associate. Many times I have seen brilliant minds being stuck at SA for so long, because they do not network to know more people and build a loyal following of clients.

I knew of a SA who used to work as an assoc in a big 4 for years but is still stuck at SA in a smaller firm because she has no book to speak off. She is just an efficient grunt who can labour for the firm but does not bring additional businesses. A community law practitioner can amass a thick book, set up own firm after years of practice, earn a substantial amount per month and still enjoy work-life balance. And small firms like these incur lesser overheads. I know a few who don't even have secretaries, so their take-home pay is comparable to big firm partners.

Unfortunately, Singaporeans have no lack of IQ but lack EQ, which is needed to build your book.
This is true.
But life without a seccy is quite terrible. Don't do this. LOL.
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I know there are many from a&g that moved to international, but what about from r&t?
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This is true.
But life without a seccy is quite terrible. Don't do this. LOL.
Seccies may be phased out gradually. Many partners in their new law firms have their work mobile number on their namecards. Cut out the seccy and you save $3-4k per month. Unless you are in conveyancing, then seccies are 100% necessary.
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Seccies may be phased out gradually. Many partners in their new law firms have their work mobile number on their namecards. Cut out the seccy and you save $3-4k per month. Unless you are in conveyancing, then seccies are 100% necessary.
To be honest, i find seccys to be quite integral to my liti life. It's not really about picking up the phones. It's about doing the menial stuff that you cannot bill to clients. Think about things like photocopying, preparing bundles, filing stuff on elit, scheduling and taking phone calls.

Let's not mention ensuring that the office is clean. My seccy goes around once a day to disinfect our desks.

I will find it hard to get on without my seccy, but that's just my two cents.


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