Lawyer Salary - Page 32 - Salary.sg Forums
Salary.sg Forums  

Go Back   Salary.sg Forums > The Salary.sg Discussion Forums: > Income and Jobs

Income and Jobs Discuss jobs, career options and of course salaries




Lawyer Salary

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #311 (permalink)  
Old 04-12-2014, 11:40 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lifeistough View Post
I got offered a spot in m&a in one of the big4 last week (but I didn't take it as I'm heading to an international firm)

At this point in the application cycle I strongly believe that most of the spots in the m&a department in the big4 firm that has been open for some time have been taken up. I think I was one of the last offers (but then that spot wasn't taken up haha). So again be realistic.
was your offer from a firm that starts with w and ends with p?

and does that belief extends to even the last two big4 firm that has yet to 'officially' open up their application cycles? i've completed internships with all of the big4 and i think i'm pretty set on where i want to go.. alas, it's a numbers game for our batch, what with the oversupply of lawyers. (i'm reading law in the UK, eek!)

Reply With Quote
  #312 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2014, 01:09 AM
Verified Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 16
lifeistough is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
was your offer from a firm that starts with w and ends with p?

and does that belief extends to even the last two big4 firm that has yet to 'officially' open up their application cycles? i've completed internships with all of the big4 and i think i'm pretty set on where i want to go.. alas, it's a numbers game for our batch, what with the oversupply of lawyers. (i'm reading law in the UK, eek!)
Hey, yep you're correct on the first. I have friends who have offers from the two big4 who officially aren't open yet tho but idk how many in total there are so I really can't tell. Where are ya aiming?

Yeah this oversupply is really bad for law grads. I've heard of firms milking the situation, hiring more trainees than there are spots for associates, giving conditional offers, putting applicants on hold for months, making applicants include an undertaking in their app (you know who I'm talking about for this one) etc. Ah well that's life I guess the legal industry has been shielded from market forces for too long

Reply With Quote
  #313 (permalink)  
Old 06-12-2014, 01:59 AM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I heard from my seniors that they are not getting a training contract offer from the big four despite graduating with a first from UK.
Guess the legal market is really not looking good for fresh law grads.
Does the big four hv a min requirement for UK law grads? Are they looking for something more than a first?

Reply With Quote
  #314 (permalink)  
Old 06-12-2014, 07:07 AM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I heard from my seniors that they are not getting a training contract offer from the big four despite graduating with a first from UK.
Guess the legal market is really not looking good for fresh law grads.
Does the big four hv a min requirement for UK law grads? Are they looking for something more than a first?
Previous posts already mentioned: a First from a "lower tier" uni doesn't gaurantee anything. Unfortunately, the Law profession is all about big names and prestige...
Reply With Quote
  #315 (permalink)  
Old 06-12-2014, 01:12 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

^poster is correct. Outside of the top 3 - 4 UK unis (Oxbridge, UCL etc) a first doesnt guarantee anything, at least in the big4 and top mid firms. Even high 2nd uppers in NUS/SMU have to scramble for tcs
Reply With Quote
  #316 (permalink)  
Old 08-12-2014, 12:34 AM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lifeistough View Post
Hey, yep you're correct on the first. I have friends who have offers from the two big4 who officially aren't open yet tho but idk how many in total there are so I really can't tell. Where are ya aiming?
I've already received an offer from the firm that made you one But I'm hoping to get an offer with a firm of equal standing in corp work (you should know which one I'm referring to)

In response to the slightly patronising (?) posts above that I suspect may be by the same individual(s) - just for some context, I'm attending a upper-mid tier uni outside of London with a strong 2:1. I have received rejections from two mid/small sunset firms but I've also received offers from "big/top mid" firms. I also have batch mates with firsts who got their offers even before summer ended.

I recognise the scramble and I recognise that the uni you come from does count. My friends in lower tiered unis are not getting jobs but if you're within the usual batch of top/mid-tiered unis - it's not *that* bad and no you will not end up doing conveyancing in some AMK firm. Don't panic (yet)

Also (1) grades are not end all be all, your cv/CCA/personality counts too. Strong 2:1s and above should at least get you some consideration. (2) interning with a firm would definitely help and if you shine really brightly, it may lead to an offer, who knows. (3) apply early!!
At the end of the day I personally feel that it's a combination of everything - there's no magical formula behind this. But graduating with a first always helps

Just my twocents & speaking out of my own personal experiences with this cycle thus far
Reply With Quote

  #317 (permalink)  
Old 08-12-2014, 10:11 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I've already received an offer from the firm that made you one But I'm hoping to get an offer with a firm of equal standing in corp work (you should know which one I'm referring to)

In response to the slightly patronising (?) posts above that I suspect may be by the same individual(s) - just for some context, I'm attending a upper-mid tier uni outside of London with a strong 2:1. I have received rejections from two mid/small sunset firms but I've also received offers from "big/top mid" firms. I also have batch mates with firsts who got their offers even before summer ended.

I recognise the scramble and I recognise that the uni you come from does count. My friends in lower tiered unis are not getting jobs but if you're within the usual batch of top/mid-tiered unis - it's not *that* bad and no you will not end up doing conveyancing in some AMK firm. Don't panic (yet)

Also (1) grades are not end all be all, your cv/CCA/personality counts too. Strong 2:1s and above should at least get you some consideration. (2) interning with a firm would definitely help and if you shine really brightly, it may lead to an offer, who knows. (3) apply early!!
At the end of the day I personally feel that it's a combination of everything - there's no magical formula behind this. But graduating with a first always helps

Just my twocents & speaking out of my own personal experiences with this cycle thus far
I don't get a sense that he or she was being patronising; merely stating a fact.

Something to bear in mind also is the question of retention. Many firms are willing to take in more trainees than they need for the RLT and TC periods. Whether all are retained is another matter. Of course a TC is not a guarantee of employment, but some firms have better track record of retention, others have an atrocious record.

Alas, Singapore does not have a developed legal market where firms' retention rates are closely monitored in legal industry magazines or websites. Hence, firms can do these things with impunity without fear of impact on their reputation. In the UK for instance, students in the subsequent years know which big firms have a poor retention rates for the preceding batches. In any case, it appears to be an hirer's market now. Nothing much for us to do but to suck thumb and accept what we have.

Just something to keep in mind if you're lucky to have options. Ask around. Just don't ask the firms themselves because they will never give you the real answer.
Reply With Quote
  #318 (permalink)  
Old 08-12-2014, 10:34 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

There is some truth that not all TCs will materialize into an offer even after getting called to the bar. Some firms I've heard are offering (substantially) more TCs than they can realistically take in after the end of the TCs. I have seen some sad cases even from the Big4 where the trainees became jobless after getting called to the bar. I don't think anyone is being patronizing here. Just to put a word out that the legal scene has changed quite drastically and quickly in the last couple of years and if you want to stay on top of the game, you really have to do and try whatever it takes - tip top grades, big name Unis, sterling recommendations etc. but its not the same to mean you are doomed if anything lesser.


Primary School English Grammar and Vocabulary Drills
Primary School English Grammar and Vocabulary Drills


SG Bus Timing App
SG Bus Timing App - the best bus app - available on iOS and Android


Bursa Stocks Android App - check share prices
Bursa Stocks [Android] App - check latest share prices on the go


SGX Stocks Android App - check share prices
SGX Stocks [Android] App - check latest share prices on the go


SGX Stocks for iPad - check latest Singapore share prices
SGX Stocks [iPad] app
| SGX Stocks [iPhone] app
Reply With Quote
  #319 (permalink)  
Old 09-12-2014, 04:01 AM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Judging from what has been discussed, is it safe to assume that the corp dept in the only big four that has been open for some time now is full? Not too sure why even with a predicted first in a mid-tier UK uni, I am having difficulty securing a TC interview with that 'particular' big 4 firm - which I am keen on.
Reply With Quote
  #320 (permalink)  
Old 09-12-2014, 10:10 AM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Judging from what has been discussed, is it safe to assume that the corp dept in the only big four that has been open for some time now is full? Not too sure why even with a predicted first in a mid-tier UK uni, I am having difficulty securing a TC interview with that 'particular' big 4 firm - which I am keen on.
Well speaking from experience and observation, many bright-eyed law students overestimate their chances prior to hiring season (solid CVs, and 'I'll wow them during the interview!!'...post hiring season, these same ones are brought back down to earth because they didn't even receive an interview email or call.

I'm not saying this to bring you down. I'm saying this so that you assess your chances realistically, take stock of what is going on in the market currently, and not be fixated on a particular firm or practice area. Do you really NEED to be in that particular firm? Do you really need to be in a Big 4 firm for that matter, aside from the fact that it sounds nice? That particular practice group?

The very simple answer is that there are too many attractive candidates. There are a lot of predicted 'Firsts' from the UK in your peer patch (not to mention the strong 2:1s). Don't forget you're also fighting against the Dean's Listers from SMU and NUS, and the strong second-uppers. Unless you're a predicted First from Oxbridge, be mentally prepared to slog it out, especially in this market.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
advocate, law, lawyer, legal, solicitor

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
From Lawyer Insider: Life is Glamorous but Unsatisfying Salary.sg Income and Jobs 31 15-01-2018 12:40 PM

» 30 Recent Threads
Q: Big4 - Yearly salary increment ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
17,091 Replies, 5,284,641 Views
ST Electronics ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
3,867 Replies, 1,619,830 Views
Insights on Post-interview Process
6 Replies, 4,157 Views
GovTech ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
6,490 Replies, 2,482,935 Views
DBS tech seed programme ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
3,864 Replies, 1,548,923 Views
Civil Servant Bonus Mid-2023 ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
163 Replies, 164,061 Views
IMDA (under MCI) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,317 Replies, 671,137 Views
Career as Teacher ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
11,423 Replies, 7,000,524 Views
CIMB Apprentice 2024
8 Replies, 289 Views
Lawyer Salary ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
21,271 Replies, 10,644,544 Views
Hospital (Private or Public)... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
775 Replies, 451,376 Views
MAS for Mid Career Professionals ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
2,189 Replies, 1,126,306 Views
Factual Local Bank Salaries - DBS... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,887 Replies, 1,498,510 Views
ITE Polytechnic Scheme ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
342 Replies, 391,355 Views
How is life as a doctor in... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
7,480 Replies, 3,546,170 Views
HTX (Home Team Science and... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
893 Replies, 423,275 Views
Roles in accenture singapore ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
7,830 Replies, 2,472,829 Views
Compare civil service salary ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
16,478 Replies, 12,755,206 Views
Civil Svc/ Statboard - Typical... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
6,231 Replies, 3,889,509 Views
DSTA (under Mindef) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,601 Replies, 1,439,293 Views
Ex-MOE Teachers ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
429 Replies, 515,729 Views
MINDEF DXO (All FAQ on it) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
5,983 Replies, 4,815,901 Views
Changi Airport Group ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
473 Replies, 641,237 Views
CAD (Commercial Affairs Department) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
231 Replies, 262,078 Views
NCS (SingTel subsidiary) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,372 Replies, 1,194,666 Views
Enterprise Singapore hiriing... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
183 Replies, 235,823 Views
LTA (Land Transport Authority) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
834 Replies, 443,362 Views
Civil Service Current Estimated... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
189 Replies, 323,225 Views
CSA (Cyber Security Agency) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
939 Replies, 548,089 Views
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2



All times are GMT +8. The time now is 02:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2