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Old 22-09-2023, 08:51 PM
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3PQE assoc in a small practice (6-7k/mth, no 13 month bonus) looking to exit my current firm where I have spent over 1 year. I do contentious and non-contentious work.

The working relationship with my seniors and partners has been souring of late, and I have felt that they have favoured my NQ colleague. I have been relegated to a lot of meaningless work, admin, menial and even secretarial of late. Work load is not a lot for a 3PQE, simply because its not coming in.

The triggering factor in making me lose heart with my firm was when I found out my firm tried to pay NQ (NQ X) an even higher salary than what i was previously drawing as their starting salary. Subsequently, I had to negotiate and my current salary is the outcome.

My notice period is actually 2 months, but should I mention it as 3 months to the firms as I'm applying to for justifying a later start date. Should I forgo the bonus that may be declared in January.
I see posts like this and I wonder wth it is you all say to your clients who ask questions like this

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3PQE assoc in a small practice (6-7k/mth, no 13 month bonus) looking to exit my current firm where I have spent over 1 year. I do contentious and non-contentious work.

The working relationship with my seniors and partners has been souring of late, and I have felt that they have favoured my NQ colleague. I have been relegated to a lot of meaningless work, admin, menial and even secretarial of late. Work load is not a lot for a 3PQE, simply because its not coming in.

The triggering factor in making me lose heart with my firm was when I found out my firm tried to pay NQ (NQ X) an even higher salary than what i was previously drawing as their starting salary. Subsequently, I had to negotiate and my current salary is the outcome.

My notice period is actually 2 months, but should I mention it as 3 months to the firms as I'm applying to for justifying a later start date. Should I forgo the bonus that may be declared in January.
Where are you looking to go? Pardon me for saying this. You said you donít have much work, but at the same time, you want to rest an extra month?

So what do you plan to do in your extra month? Youíre not burnt out right

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Old 22-09-2023, 11:19 PM
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hello i got tc offers this year for cnplaw, harry elias, oon & bazul and tkqp. all litigation practice area. not sure which to choose - how do we rank these or are most mid-size firms around the same? comparing based on pay and firm culture

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hello i got tc offers this year for cnplaw, harry elias, oon & bazul and tkqp. all litigation practice area. not sure which to choose - how do we rank these or are most mid-size firms around the same? comparing based on pay and firm culture

All bad firms with little/no prospects. Seriously, why are people still studying Law thinking that they can make it big in an international firm. Most law graduates end up in a Big 4 or worse a mid/small Chinatown firm.

If you compare the salary for law/med, law is laughable.

Medicine:

Year1-Year 5 (MBBS). Year 5-Year 6 (HO $6000/month) Year 6-Year 11 (MO $8500/month)

Year 11 (locum GP $250,000/year)

Law:

Year 1-Year 4 (LLB). Year 4-Year 5.5 (Part B+ bar exam $2500/month).

Year 6 NQ (Big 4 $7500/month) Year 11 PQE 5 (Big 4 $13000/month).


Salary aside, a local Med graduate (male) gets to serve his NS as an MO, earning more than those law students who had to do their NS right after poly/a levels.

Employment prospects, letís not even talk about that. 100% of YLL Med grads are in full employment, barring those who failed/dropped out in Med school.
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Old 23-09-2023, 02:29 AM
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Seriously, why are people still studying Law thinking that they can make it big in an international firm. Most law graduates end up in a Big 4 or worse a mid/small Chinatown firm.

If you compare the salary for law/med, law is laughable.

Medicine:

Year1-Year 5 (MBBS). Year 5-Year 6 (HO $6000/month) Year 6-Year 11 (MO $8500/month)

Year 11 (locum GP $250,000/year)

Law:

Year 1-Year 4 (LLB). Year 4-Year 5.5 (Part B+ bar exam $2500/month).

Year 6 NQ (Big 4 $7500/month) Year 11 PQE 5 (Big 4 $13000/month).


Salary aside, a local Med graduate (male) gets to serve his NS as an MO, earning more than those law students who had to do their NS right after poly/a levels.

Employment prospects, letís not even talk about that. 100% of YLL Med grads are in full employment, barring those who failed/dropped out in Med school. Whereas for Law, most are struggling to land a Big 4 TC and get retainedÖ having to settle for low value work in small firms for a rice bowl that will break anytime if the economy is bad
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Old 23-09-2023, 09:04 AM
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Don't be salty you cmi as a specialist. If there's another outbreak (Sars), lives will be on the line.

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Seriously, why are people still studying Law thinking that they can make it big in an international firm. Most law graduates end up in a Big 4 or worse a mid/small Chinatown firm.

If you compare the salary for law/med, law is laughable.

Medicine:

Year1-Year 5 (MBBS). Year 5-Year 6 (HO $6000/month) Year 6-Year 11 (MO $8500/month)

Year 11 (locum GP $250,000/year)

Law:

Year 1-Year 4 (LLB). Year 4-Year 5.5 (Part B+ bar exam $2500/month).

Year 6 NQ (Big 4 $7500/month) Year 11 PQE 5 (Big 4 $13000/month).


Salary aside, a local Med graduate (male) gets to serve his NS as an MO, earning more than those law students who had to do their NS right after poly/a levels.

Employment prospects, letís not even talk about that. 100% of YLL Med grads are in full employment, barring those who failed/dropped out in Med school. Whereas for Law, most are struggling to land a Big 4 TC and get retainedÖ having to settle for low value work in small firms for a rice bowl that will break anytime if the economy is bad
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Anyone watched CBTís mass call speech? Seems to have generated some controversy on LinkedIn.
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Old 23-09-2023, 09:57 AM
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hello i got tc offers this year for cnplaw, harry elias, oon & bazul and tkqp. all litigation practice area. not sure which to choose - how do we rank these or are most mid-size firms around the same? comparing based on pay and firm culture
Go TKQP. Very strong disputes.
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Anyone watched CBTís mass call speech? Seems to have generated some controversy on LinkedIn.
Stop being childish, why keep dredging up old news?

Go and study your part B.
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Don't be salty you cmi as a specialist. If there's another outbreak (Sars), lives will be on the line.
At least they will be compensated well in times of a pandemic. Vaccination centre locum doctors were earning $150/hour during the darkest days of the pandemic from 2020-2021.

A friend of mine was raking over $40000 a month during the 2 years. By working as a locum vaccination centre onsite doctor. At the age of 32. He just exited public, because he just finished his MOHH bond. No way a lawyer can make $40000 a month with 5-6 years of experience.
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