Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Had a talk with my RO and other KPs. Conclusion after the talk: I felt I’m not the right person for this career. If an event manager mid career switch to become a teacher he will do a much better job than I do.

So everything I did last year was of little impact and routine job.As a GEO2, I have to do things that is innovative and impactful, in order to get a good performance grade and get promoted. It is not impactful enough, if it is just within the school. Need to outreach to stakeholders like community.

So after the chat, I understood why I was not promoted. I never expect a GEO 2 has to do till that extent to get promoted.

Okay, time to find a new job after my contract. One less passionate teacher in the service. Now I finally understand what my mentor told me before he left the school.

“You thought promotion so easy uh. Every extra things you did can be claimed as your routine job.”

community outreach at GEO2? Are they out of their mind? Please change school if you can. They’re taking you for a ride. I know GEO5s who don’t do ****.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Had a talk with my RO and other KPs. Conclusion after the talk: I felt I’m not the right person for this career. If an event manager mid career switch to become a teacher he will do a much better job than I do.

So everything I did last year was of little impact and routine job.As a GEO2, I have to do things that is innovative and impactful, in order to get a good performance grade and get promoted. It is not impactful enough, if it is just within the school. Need to outreach to stakeholders like community.

So after the chat, I understood why I was not promoted. I never expect a GEO 2 has to do till that extent to get promoted.

Okay, time to find a new job after my contract. One less passionate teacher in the service. Now I finally understand what my mentor told me before he left the school.

“You thought promotion so easy uh. Every extra things you did can be claimed as your routine job.”

It’s definitely the school. Many KPs are not that harsh.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

GEO2s and GEO3s, can help to confirm whether salary range is same as below?

[2022] GEO2 (UT): 2300-5000
[2022] GEO2(T): 2950-5200
[2022] GEO3: 3900-6250
[2022] GEO4: 4800-7700
[2022] GEO5: 5150-8250
[2022] GEO5A: 5650-9050
[2022] SEO1: 6400-10250
[2022] SEO2: 7850-11650

This is correct.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This is correct.

I heard from juniors that there was a revision in salary range for lower grades recently.

[JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Had a talk with my RO and other KPs. Conclusion after the talk: I felt I’m not the right person for this career. If an event manager mid career switch to become a teacher he will do a much better job than I do.

So everything I did last year was of little impact and routine job.As a GEO2, I have to do things that is innovative and impactful, in order to get a good performance grade and get promoted. It is not impactful enough, if it is just within the school. Need to outreach to stakeholders like community.

So after the chat, I understood why I was not promoted. I never expect a GEO 2 has to do till that extent to get promoted.

Okay, time to find a new job after my contract. One less passionate teacher in the service. Now I finally understand what my mentor told me before he left the school.

“You thought promotion so easy uh. Every extra things you did can be claimed as your routine job.”

Did you hear your RO tell you exactly that 'community impact' is one of the criteria for GEO2 or GEO3 for that matter (since we are talking about potential to be promoted to the next subgrade). If they explicitly say it is one of the criteria and you never meet, you are allowed to challenge it.

The latest document sent out to KPs with regards to each subgrade's expectation, teaching/leadership/specialist track etc. will list down in black and white.

But if the RO says that in your school, there are other GEO 2s who go above and beyond, impact community with what they are doing, so they get a better PB, that ain't wrong either. Because you will be ranked against colleagues of the same subgrade. So take a look at what the other GEO 2s in your school are doing also, and the performance grade they received.

impacting community is not expected requirement at GEO2/3/4, so doing that is exceeding expectation (just for this stakeholders portion though). But it should not be the reason why you were not promoted (not getting a good Perf Grade, yes possible). So maybe try to recall the conversation..

And change schools if indeed your current one has too many strong GEO 2/3s who go above and beyond.

My NIE friend just got promoted. Is his considered a normal progression?

Male joined school in mid 2017 (BAEd)
GEO 3 in 2018 Oct
GEO 4 in 2021 Apr
GEO 5 in 2026 Apr

He had to cover AYH for the school since 2025 till now after one of the YH (SEO 2) step down to GEO5A. He mentioned interview will be at the end of the year (so he will cover for 2 years).


As for myself
Female joined school in mid 2017 (BAEd)
GEO 3 in 2020
GEO 4 in 2025
Took on a couple of IC/2ICships over the past few years.

Mine feels a bit slower compared to his, understandable with the 2 years NS years in service added for him, but is it average or considered below average for female?

My school announced the promotees during contact time today. So another year of no promotion for me. Good luck to the rest, still got 2 more days to get notified

Originally Posted by JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher

Did you hear your RO tell you exactly that 'community impact' is one of the criteria for GEO2 or GEO3 for that matter (since we are talking about potential to be promoted to the next subgrade). If they explicitly say it is one of the criteria and you never meet, you are allowed to challenge it.

The latest document sent out to KPs with regards to each subgrade's expectation, teaching/leadership/specialist track etc. will list down in black and white.

But if the RO says that in your school, there are other GEO 2s who go above and beyond, impact community with what they are doing, so they get a better PB, that ain't wrong either. Because you will be ranked against colleagues of the same subgrade. So take a look at what the other GEO 2s in your school are doing also, and the performance grade they received.

impacting community is not expected requirement at GEO2/3/4, so doing that is exceeding expectation (just for this stakeholders portion though). But it should not be the reason why you were not promoted (not getting a good Perf Grade, yes possible). So maybe try to recall the conversation..

And change schools if indeed your current one has too many strong GEO 2/3s who go above and beyond.

May be I don't want to use the exact example my RO gave me. But basically, he said my Coordinator roles last year were not impactful enough, since the events I coordinated is all within the school. I gave him an example of what I coordinated that is beyond the school, then he said the coordination is not difficult enough.
Now I really doubt on the contract I have signed. Am I a teacher or event manager? Should I be spending more time preparing lesson to teach or thinking about how to bring impact to the organization outcome? I'm just a GEO 2 and I have to consider about organization outcome. If that's the case, I suggest NIE can start teaching Event Management modules.

Now I also understand why sometimes there are irrelevant activities suddenly pop out on the school calendar, taking teachers' normal curriculum lesson time away. Because there are people keep trying to showcase themselves at the expense of students' curriculum time.

Really, now I question my career choice. I don't know it's the education system, my school or me.

People need to chill about not getting info on whether they will get promotion or not. I only got to know mine early in the second week of term 2 back when I last got promoted. It really depends on your sch practice k. Of course if you know that other colleagues have been informed then thats a different story la

Originally Posted by Unregistered

My NIE friend just got promoted. Is his considered a normal progression?

Male joined school in mid 2017 (BAEd)
GEO 3 in 2018 Oct
GEO 4 in 2021 Apr
GEO 5 in 2026 Apr

He had to cover AYH for the school since 2025 till now after one of the YH (SEO 2) step down to GEO5A. He mentioned interview will be at the end of the year (so he will cover for 2 years).


As for myself
Female joined school in mid 2017 (BAEd)
GEO 3 in 2020
GEO 4 in 2025
Took on a couple of IC/2ICships over the past few years.

Mine feels a bit slower compared to his, understandable with the 2 years NS years in service added for him, but is it average or considered below average for female?

Yah i think thats a normal pace for someone who will become an seo. Can't say for certain whether its seo1 or seo2 max for that person though. Especially with the shift away from CEP