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Old 15-03-2024, 02:36 PM
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My school's climate survey was below average 4 years ago. My SL just chuckled and said: "at least never fail".

2 years ago, my climate survey results dropped so badly my school didn't even want to share the final overall grade for fear "it demoralise the staff".
This sounds very shocking.

Does this also mean that, for 4 years, even if results show that the environment is bad, or cause the Sup to question, nothing will change?

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Old 15-03-2024, 02:42 PM
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This sounds very shocking.

Does this also mean that, for 4 years, even if results show that the environment is bad, or cause the Sup to question, nothing will change?
no blame culture

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My school's climate survey was below average 4 years ago. My SL just chuckled and said: "at least never fail".

2 years ago, my climate survey results dropped so badly my school didn't even want to share the final overall grade for fear "it demoralise the staff".
From my understanding, If it's bottom 25% of SG, and the % of SD and D is high, then the cluster sup will come down to the school to have meeting with the SLs. So if your school is still not in the bottom 25%, maybe the sup did not come. Means maybe things in your school aren't that bad yet.

But if the sup has come before for this, and it has been ongoing, means your SLs ranking and performance confirm affected. I have seen SLs get early rotation. Rotated from P to become VP even. These are all possible.

If the SLs can't do their job well, they also affect their own careers.

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This sounds very shocking.

Does this also mean that, for 4 years, even if results show that the environment is bad, or cause the Sup to question, nothing will change?
They will question. Especially after the recent years push for mental-wellness and well-being of teachers. Many things were done actually, e.g. quantum per head for Staff Welfare funds increased, so teachers don't have to fork out the $50 per sem that we used to etc.

Under this mental-wellness drive, bad staff survey is now on high radar in MOE HQ. So definitely things are done. It's very hard to have 'no blame culture' when the SLs face the sups to explain staff survey results. Bad staff survey results means SLs advancement and career opportunities get affected too.
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Old 15-03-2024, 02:53 PM
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From my understanding, If it's bottom 25% of SG, and the % of SD and D is high, then the cluster sup will come down to the school to have meeting with the SLs. So if your school is still not in the bottom 25%, maybe the sup did not come. Means maybe things in your school aren't that bad yet.

But if the sup has come before for this, and it has been ongoing, means your SLs ranking and performance confirm affected. I have seen SLs get early rotation. Rotated from P to become VP even. These are all possible.

If the SLs can't do their job well, they also affect their own careers.
Ya my school went through something like that. West side one. And then hearsay from my HOD is the sup give the SLs 2 years to improve the culture. But in the end one of my VP from doing EO become go admin. Is considered demoted liao cos is not the old kind yet. So instead of move up to P, now demote. I think in the end the SLs they blame blame then find out is VP nv do much or what.

Anyway 2 years later got improve the results so I will say some things they got slowly solve la
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Old 15-03-2024, 05:26 PM
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2 more hours and 35 minutesÖ..

Because I never known my performance grade. These days ROs donít tell. They used to tell you at the end of the year, but nowadays, no more
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2017 Geo 3 liao, damn sian
Iíve been geo3 since Oct 2018. Had a combination of C, C+ and B. Still not promoted. My fellow batch mates and seniors also still at Geo 3. People who arenít at Geo 3 already are the scholars and people designated for leadership. Thatís the trend now. According to my P, MOE is not trying to cut back on promotion. The org is too top heavy. And too many teacher silent quit after reaching Geo 4/5. So promotion is no longer time based and fast by default. Youíll have to work hard to get your CEP adjusted by being chosen for leadership. Our era really suay lor.
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Will the psc hod will make it 4 consecutive years of promotions from geo4 to seo2 this year? woohoo
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This sounds very shocking.

Does this also mean that, for 4 years, even if results show that the environment is bad, or cause the Sup to question, nothing will change?
just say which school lor
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2 more hours and 35 minutesÖ..

Because I never known my performance grade. These days ROs donít tell. They used to tell you at the end of the year, but nowadays, no more
Personally, I think it's good practice for RO not to say too early. Things can still change along the way, from the school-based ranking until it finally gets to us in April.
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