Mid career crisis

Aiya no need to convince ppl how much is the avg bonus. They dun believe is their pasar. Even if they join CS they may be below avg.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Fyi they dont vary that much, and i aldy asked the HR about the different grades and the associated payout, they are the SAME. Not talking at stat boards as i am only familiar with ministries. Some ministries pay more, thus it affects ur basic salary, NOT PB.

Throughout my stay in CS, i have only gotten really bad bonuses in 2009 and 2010 where the year end bonus was 0.5 months. Other that that, i was averaging 5.5 mo a yr with B grades.

C is 1.5, b is 2.5 A can b 2.75 or 3, this is cery standard across all ministries. At the end of the day, u wont be a millionaire in CS but u wont starve.

Thanks all for the advice, i decided to take up offer 2, figured that is the least i could do for my country.

Hmmm... I don't understand why CS always think that those in pte sector earns more. With a higher basic, and a 5.5 month bonus, how can it compare to the pte sector? Most in pte sector can be thankful for a 2-3 month bonus...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hmmm... I don't understand why CS always think that those in pte sector earns more. With a higher basic, and a 5.5 month bonus, how can it compare to the pte sector? Most in pte sector can be thankful for a 2-3 month bonus...

because it varies widely in pte

good can be v gooooood

bad can be v baaaaad

so it dep on where within pte sector u compare to lor

bleah

Originally Posted by Unregistered

because it varies widely in pte

good can be v gooooood

bad can be v baaaaad

so it dep on where within pte sector u compare to lor

bleah

Ya agree some private sectors like shipping can be 9mo bonuses, CS is considered average though i know there are many many companies with only max 3mo (inc aws which is not a bonus anyway), at least we get to enjoy MI every yr and promotion comes after every 2 to 5 yrs. out basic salary is lower wor, outside anyhow jump is 10%, CS jump no increment de.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ya agree some private sectors like shipping can be 9mo bonuses, CS is considered average though i know there are many many companies with only max 3mo (inc aws which is not a bonus anyway), at least we get to enjoy MI every yr and promotion comes after every 2 to 5 yrs. out basic salary is lower wor, outside anyhow jump is 10%, CS jump no increment de.

shipping goes in cycles, eg the past 5 years or so has been the dumps and then you get a good 2 or 3 years, so CS is definitely more stable.

CS are probably benchmarking against management positions in pte, eg with at least 2-3 layers of reporting structure. However those positions are few in pte, and I highly doubt that people with no relevant or "generalist" experience can fill these.

i'm in pte, but i always wish to get a cushy CS job. high pay, good bonus, good annual increments, knock off on time, good work life balance.....

the grass is always greener on the other side...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

shipping goes in cycles, eg the past 5 years or so has been the dumps and then you get a good 2 or 3 years, so CS is definitely more stable.

CS are probably benchmarking against management positions in pte, eg with at least 2-3 layers of reporting structure. However those positions are few in pte, and I highly doubt that people with no relevant or "generalist" experience can fill these.

i'm in pte, but i always wish to get a cushy CS job. high pay, good bonus, good annual increments, knock off on time, good work life balance.....

the grass is always greener on the other side...

That is a myth.

CS does not assure knocking off on time and having good work life balance. Many of us work our ass off. It really depends on your portfolio.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That is a myth.

CS does not assure knocking off on time and having good work life balance. Many of us work our ass off. It really depends on your portfolio.

I agree. When I was a middle manager in a stat board, there was the 9-6pm shift and 1-10pm shift. I ended up doing many late shifts till midnight when I can work without interruption.

In CS (doing policy work), I regularly work from 8am to 8pm/9pm. Now doing operational work, a bit more relax and only stay behind for extra 30 minutes as office have to close by 630pm...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Fyi, i was a civil servant for 7yrs, resigned in jan because I had to go overseas for 2months and didnt want to return to the same role. Now i found another job at another ministry so i know what the average performer gets.

I was in 2 Ministries, my PB for first yr was C, subsequently were Bs, once i got an A. I think you dont know what you are talking about. B is 2.5mo of pb, with aws, mid yr, end yr and variable bonuses (sometimes), you get arnd 5mo. I wasnt look at climbing, i still got a B. Have you even been in the CS before, pffft 2.5 to 3.5 includ aws?

My hubb was an A performer last year, his total bonuses amt to 6mo, i suggest you do your calculation properly and not post narrow minded comments.

half-hearted efforts and get a B? And a B = 5months? That's very easy money!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I agree. When I was a middle manager in a stat board, there was the 9-6pm shift and 1-10pm shift. I ended up doing many late shifts till midnight when I can work without interruption.

In CS (doing policy work), I regularly work from 8am to 8pm/9pm. Now doing operational work, a bit more relax and only stay behind for extra 30 minutes as office have to close by 630pm...

Yeah policy work never ends.

But usually do policy work can get better performance grade and visibility

Originally Posted by Unregistered

half-hearted efforts and get a B? And a B = 5months? That's very easy money!

my thoughts exactly!

half-hearted efforts in pte sector will probably get you a C (~1+ mths) or D (bonus withheld).