Dead End. Need advice on career path.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

there is definitely something wrong with $2.5k after 5 years. your cousin needs to take a long hard look at why he's stuck at such a low salary!

It's a her.
She says it's luck, and also she is not very pretty nor does she have a very good personality. I think it's luck and bad attitude. Besides, she isn't book smart too.

That's why degree don't guarantee success. Still boils down to attitude and luck.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's a her.
She says it's luck, and also she is not very pretty nor does she have a very good personality. I think it's luck and bad attitude. Besides, she isn't book smart too.

That's why degree don't guarantee success. Still boils down to attitude and luck.

a degree will only get u your first "executive" job. after that it's down to your own capability and attitude.

there are some SIM grads that give the rest of us a bad name and sometimes u wonder what kind of degree did they do.

[Rodon_Tan]

Hi all,

Thanks for the replies. No. I haven’t abandoned the thread.

After weighing the pros and cons of getting degree etc, I feel it’s better to remain in the company till end of this year, then apply for the NIE teaching diploma like what another user here advised:

Ministry of Education, Singapore: Teaching as a Career: Applying to be a Teacher: Teacher Training Schemes for ‘O’ Level Holders (it’s the Art and Music instructor scheme, with 5 year bond but government sponsors entire studies)

My salary now is $2k++ (not 1K like what some users say, LOL), after coming out from the studies, I’ll be aged 34, and under this scheme, the starting pay is $1870+ (maybe since I’ve working experience, will be slightly more?).

My only concern now is whether NIE will accept me into this programme, and whether the pay will rise steadily over the next 5 years (so that when I’m 39., I’ll be earning 3 - 4K). May also secretly take up freelance art jobs to push salary up further.

Does this sound naive? Pls advise. It’s the best possible way I can think of now. I'm waiting for NIE to reply as to whether at my age, I can join this scheme.

Thanks!
Rodon

Consider being a crane operator? Can earn $7k pm.

Originally Posted by Rodon_Tan

Hi all,

Thanks for the replies. No. I haven’t abandoned the thread.

After weighing the pros and cons of getting degree etc, I feel it’s better to remain in the company till end of this year, then apply for the NIE teaching diploma like what another user here advised:

Ministry of Education, Singapore: Teaching as a Career: Applying to be a Teacher: Teacher Training Schemes for ‘O’ Level Holders (it’s the Art and Music instructor scheme, with 5 year bond but government sponsors entire studies)

My salary now is $2k++ (not 1K like what some users say, LOL), after coming out from the studies, I’ll be aged 34, and under this scheme, the starting pay is $1870+ (maybe since I’ve working experience, will be slightly more?).

My only concern now is whether NIE will accept me into this programme, and whether the pay will rise steadily over the next 5 years (so that when I’m 39., I’ll be earning 3 - 4K). May also secretly take up freelance art jobs to push salary up further.

Does this sound naive? Pls advise. It’s the best possible way I can think of now. I'm waiting for NIE to reply as to whether at my age, I can join this scheme.

Thanks!
Rodon

Originally Posted by Rodon_Tan

Hi all,

Thanks for the replies. No. I haven’t abandoned the thread.

After weighing the pros and cons of getting degree etc, I feel it’s better to remain in the company till end of this year, then apply for the NIE teaching diploma like what another user here advised:

Ministry of Education, Singapore: Teaching as a Career: Applying to be a Teacher: Teacher Training Schemes for ‘O’ Level Holders (it’s the Art and Music instructor scheme, with 5 year bond but government sponsors entire studies)

My salary now is $2k++ (not 1K like what some users say, LOL), after coming out from the studies, I’ll be aged 34, and under this scheme, the starting pay is $1870+ (maybe since I’ve working experience, will be slightly more?).

My only concern now is whether NIE will accept me into this programme, and whether the pay will rise steadily over the next 5 years (so that when I’m 39., I’ll be earning 3 - 4K). May also secretly take up freelance art jobs to push salary up further.

Does this sound naive? Pls advise. It’s the best possible way I can think of now. I'm waiting for NIE to reply as to whether at my age, I can join this scheme.

Thanks!
Rodon

I don't get what you are trying to do at all. I thought the whole idea of this thread is that you don't make enough money in the creative industry and want more.

Now you suddenly say you want to take another 5 years get a diploma to join teaching and then take pay cut after that from 2k+ to $1.8k+ when you are 34 years old.

Earlier on you say your goal is to make $3.5k before 35, now suddenly you willing to take a $1.8k job at 34. And somehow you want MOE to double your pay in 5 years from starting of 1.8k at 34 to ~3.6k(?) by 39? Assuming no recession or salary freeze/cut, you will be lucky to get >2.4k in 5 years.

[Rodon_Tan]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't get what you are trying to do at all. I thought the whole idea of this thread is that you don't make enough money in the creative industry and want more.

Yeah, that's the aim.

Earlier on you say your goal is to make $3.5k before 35, now suddenly you willing to take a $1.8k job at 34. And somehow you want MOE to double your pay in 5 years from starting of 1.8k at 34 to ~3.6k(?) by 39? Assuming no recession or salary freeze/cut, you will be lucky to get >2.4k in 5 years.

Yeah, I was thinking that if I take 1.8k pay at age 34, in the long-term, it can actually let me earn more.

I read many times on forums here and elsewhere that teachers with degree earn 4k to 6k after 5 years. Since I’ll only have NIE diploma, I can probably make 3k - 3.5k? That's still better than currently.
If I continue with my current state, maybe I'll only get 2.6k at 39 yrs old and the pay stops after that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Consider being a crane operator? Can earn $7k pm.

Actually it's true.

I work on the MBS back a few years as a civil engineer. The crane operators are higher paid than me. Including OT, that time they bring back between 10k to 15k. Even the most junior operators can bring home 7-8k with OT.

On normal days like this, senior crane operators can bring home 7k.

Originally Posted by Rodon_Tan

Yeah, that's the aim.


Yeah, I was thinking that if I take 1.8k pay at age 34, in the long-term, it can actually let me earn more.

I read many times on forums here and elsewhere that teachers with degree earn 4k to 6k after 5 years. Since I’ll only have NIE diploma, I can probably make 3k - 3.5k? That's still better than currently.
If I continue with my current state, maybe I'll only get 2.6k at 39 yrs old and the pay stops after that.

Me, like rest of the forummers do not get your logic.

If your aim is to get 3k, why not join insurance? I think 3k is very attainable in the trade. If you are good you may make even more. My university coursemate went into insurance after graduation. Now ten years forward, he is earning 200k PA.

Insurance can get quite lucrative. No offence but since you're on a dead end, why not give it a shot?

I don't think you'll get 3.5k when you're 39. 3k is questionable too. Never jump into a ship with assumption.

I am a civil engineer, not an insurance agent. Still i urge you to give it a consideration.

Originally Posted by Rodon_Tan

Yeah, that's the aim.


Yeah, I was thinking that if I take 1.8k pay at age 34, in the long-term, it can actually let me earn more.

I read many times on forums here and elsewhere that teachers with degree earn 4k to 6k after 5 years. Since I’ll only have NIE diploma, I can probably make 3k - 3.5k? That's still better than currently.
If I continue with my current state, maybe I'll only get 2.6k at 39 yrs old and the pay stops after that.

You are completely off base here. Current Diploma holders who join the civil service and rise through the ranks to 3.5k+ salary now are mostly in their mid 30s now. If it's their first job, they would have joined civil service at the age of 21 (guy) or 19 (girl).

You expect to just stroll in as an oldie diploma grad at 34 and get the same pay as them in 5 years? Ain't gonna happen. Wake up!

The bro above me is correct - If you want to double your pay in a few years, sales is where you should be, not civil service. MOE average annual increments for Diploma normal performer is ~3-4%, you do the maths yourself and tell me how you going to get a 100% increase in 5 years???

Originally Posted by DSX1

You are completely off base here. Current Diploma holders who join the civil service and rise through the ranks to 3.5k+ salary now are mostly in their mid 30s now. If it's their first job, they would have joined civil service at the age of 21 (guy) or 19 (girl).

You expect to just stroll in as an oldie diploma grad at 34 and get the same pay as them in 5 years? Ain't gonna happen. Wake up!

The bro above me is correct - If you want to double your pay in a few years, sales is where you should be, not civil service. MOE average annual increments for Diploma normal performer is ~3-4%, you do the maths yourself and tell me how you going to get a 100% increase in 5 years???

This guy is a joker lah. I dun know where he get all these strange info about MOE paying poly grads >3500 or degree grads 6000 in 5 years.