Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

yup, guys with NS will still get promoted from GEO 2 to 3 in 1 year. Females will take 2-3 years.

Not accurate. Know of guys who only got promoted after 2 years and females some 3 years also never promote.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Is this likely for an average person, based on the posts in the last few pages?

Average pace (exclude UT and NIE):
Y1 - GEO2 (trained)
Y2 - GEO2 (trained)
Y3 - GEO3 (promoted)
Y4 - GEO3
Y5 - GEO3
Y6 - GEO3
Y7 - GEO3
Y8 - GEO4 (promoted)
Y9 - GEO4
Y10 - GEO4
Y11 - GEO4
Y12 - GEO4
Y13 - GEO4
Y14 - GEO5 (promoted)
Y15 - GEO5
Y16 - GEO5
Y17 - GEO5
Y18 - GEO5
Y19 - GEO5
Y20 - GEO5 (likely to hit ceiling here?)

This is an average timeline.

Promotion rates seem to vary person to person, school to school… and i understand that with leadership potential replacing CEP, promotion is supposed to be no longer time deterministic.

I wonder if I was shortchanged in the past though. My progression seems much slower than others I know.

GEO 3 to 4: 4 years (started out in 2011)
GEO 4 to 5: 4 years (became SH GEO 4 in 2018)
GEO 5 to SEO 1: 5 years (became HOD GEO 5 in 2021)

Was in school for 4 initial years of my career, went to HQ for 3 years, then went back to the same school as SH from 2018-2024. Left and currently in another school.

Others who are SHs have already become SEO 1 by the 10th year, while i only hit SEO 1 in my 15th year.
My performance grade has always been As and Bs, with exception of the time in HQ where I had C+s, and year of promotion to GEO 5 where I had C (and also coz I was on MLS).

I couldn’t understand why I took so long to be promoted too.

Does it mean I don’t have high potential and opportunity to move on one day to be a VP?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Getting promoted in 5 years to GEO4 and 6 years to GEO5 is considered fast. I have many colleagues who have taught for 15 years or so and they are not GEO5.

Doesn't this suggest that the claims on how progression has slowed down is not true. Because as you pointed out this has been an ongoing issue with people with more than a decades worth of teaching still not being at GEO5.

What's changed is that the people who aren't promoted are more active online, making it seem like its the majority when it may not be a sizeable chunk of the fraternity

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This is an average timeline.

huh wa then for "slow" timeline, i think the officer would have quit halfway already

Originally Posted by Unregistered

starting from 2025, HQ officers who do not meet a certain PB grade will not be offered participation in enhanced posting support exercise. last year, secondees were invited for EPS for the first time. similarly, those secondees who did not get a certain grade, will not be called for EPS.

any secondees or hq officers who didnt get invited for eps? mind sharing your pb grade? for data sharing purposes only.

anyways, not getting invited for eps might be a good thing. scouting for schools on your own can land you better opportunities

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Promotion rates seem to vary person to person, school to school… and i understand that with leadership potential replacing CEP, promotion is supposed to be no longer time deterministic.

I wonder if I was shortchanged in the past though. My progression seems much slower than others I know.

GEO 3 to 4: 4 years (started out in 2011)
GEO 4 to 5: 4 years (became SH GEO 4 in 2018)
GEO 5 to SEO 1: 5 years (became HOD GEO 5 in 2021)

Was in school for 4 initial years of my career, went to HQ for 3 years, then went back to the same school as SH from 2018-2024. Left and currently in another school.

Others who are SHs have already become SEO 1 by the 10th year, while i only hit SEO 1 in my 15th year.
My performance grade has always been As and Bs, with exception of the time in HQ where I had C+s, and year of promotion to GEO 5 where I had C (and also coz I was on MLS).

I couldn’t understand why I took so long to be promoted too.

Does it mean I don’t have high potential and opportunity to move on one day to be a VP?

Just want to share that we seem to have similar timelines. I think for me, I'm ok with the fact that I'm topping off at HOD. It may come off as sour grapes but a VP is an admin job where you dont have as much contact with staff and students compared to being SH/HOD. I guess moving forward I'll just change schools whenever my time is up, and then step down eventually if I haven't quite teaching by then

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just want to share that we seem to have similar timelines. I think for me, I'm ok with the fact that I'm topping off at HOD. It may come off as sour grapes but a VP is an admin job where you dont have as much contact with staff and students compared to being SH/HOD. I guess moving forward I'll just change schools whenever my time is up, and then step down eventually if I haven't quite teaching by then

HOD & VP are almost two entirely different jobs. Good HODs often make bad VPs cause the skillset is very different.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

HOD & VP are almost two entirely different jobs. Good HODs often make bad VPs cause the skillset is very different.

erm...would the opposite be true then?? bad HODs make good VPs???

or must it be EXCELLENT HODs make GOOD VPs..?

sorry i might be being too logical here...haha

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Promotion rates seem to vary person to person, school to school… and i understand that with leadership potential replacing CEP, promotion is supposed to be no longer time deterministic.

I wonder if I was shortchanged in the past though. My progression seems much slower than others I know.

GEO 3 to 4: 4 years (started out in 2011)
GEO 4 to 5: 4 years (became SH GEO 4 in 2018)
GEO 5 to SEO 1: 5 years (became HOD GEO 5 in 2021)

Was in school for 4 initial years of my career, went to HQ for 3 years, then went back to the same school as SH from 2018-2024. Left and currently in another school.

Others who are SHs have already become SEO 1 by the 10th year, while i only hit SEO 1 in my 15th year.
My performance grade has always been As and Bs, with exception of the time in HQ where I had C+s, and year of promotion to GEO 5 where I had C (and also coz I was on MLS).

I couldn’t understand why I took so long to be promoted too.

Does it mean I don’t have high potential and opportunity to move on one day to be a VP?

were you teaching in a primary school? seems like promotion 'journey' for my peers at secondary and jc are much faster than primary