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Old 21-08-2015, 03:27 PM
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Hi guys I am currently doing my law degree with uol. I wanna ask what is the career path for a lawyer? I saw some post saying junior partner, senior partner, how long to achieve the promotion and how much % equity will they get? Annual salary for those rank roughly how much? Thanks

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Hi guys I am currently doing my law degree with uol. I wanna ask what is the career path for a lawyer? I saw some post saying junior partner, senior partner, how long to achieve the promotion and how much % equity will they get? Annual salary for those rank roughly how much? Thanks
UOL?

I think you better concentrate on trying to get yourself employed in a decent sized law firm first. Chances are you will end up in some SME as legal exec or associate in ikan bilis neighborhood law firm.

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Old 21-08-2015, 09:50 PM
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UOL?

I think you better concentrate on trying to get yourself employed in a decent sized law firm first. Chances are you will end up in some SME as legal exec or associate in ikan bilis neighborhood law firm.
No chance for A&G, WongP etc? I am determined and willing to put 12-15 hours everyday if required. Ask me start from the bottomest position at 2k I also can take it if they give me chance.

Legal exec as in in-house counsel? I don't mind also. Have one cousin doing in-house counsel for an O&G company, every time see her Facebook flying around the world makan who's food! But I thought need to clock some experience first?

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Old 22-08-2015, 11:11 AM
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No chance for A&G, WongP etc? I am determined and willing to put 12-15 hours everyday if required. Ask me start from the bottomest position at 2k I also can take it if they give me chance.

Legal exec as in in-house counsel? I don't mind also. Have one cousin doing in-house counsel for an O&G company, every time see her Facebook flying around the world makan who's food! But I thought need to clock some experience first?
The thing is that UOL grads are considered second rate compared to NUS grads. Prospects not too good I will say.
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I'm assuming you mean UOL as in that you're reading law as an distance learning student in Singapore? If so, I think the most important thing, regardless of whether firms find you "2nd rate" or not, you can't get called to the bar. It is in my opinion that you should first address this issue prior to worrying about the pay and progression.
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I'm assuming you mean UOL as in that you're reading law as an distance learning student in Singapore? If so, I think the most important thing, regardless of whether firms find you "2nd rate" or not, you can't get called to the bar. It is in my opinion that you should first address this issue prior to worrying about the pay and progression.
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I'm assuming that when you say UOL, you mean that that you're reading law as a distance learning student in Singapore? If so, I think the most important thing, regardless of whether firms find you "2nd rate" or not, is that you can't get called to the bar here. It is in my opinion that you should first address this issue prior to concerning yourself with the pay and progression.
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Old 22-08-2015, 08:40 PM
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Yeah I study uol law at one of the private law academy here, quite famous school got oversea campus in Malaysia and HK also.

I aware of that. My plan is to go practice in Malaysia (or UK if possible) with my cert for 3-5 years then come back to SG as a foreign lawyer. Not intending to work as paralegal, that would be a waste of my education.
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Yeah I study uol law at one of the private law academy here, quite famous school got oversea campus in Malaysia and HK also.

I aware of that. My plan is to go practice in Malaysia (or UK if possible) with my cert for 3-5 years then come back to SG as a foreign lawyer. Not intending to work as paralegal, that would be a waste of my education.
Are you a Malaysian? I don't think you can take the Malaysian Bar if you are not a citizen.

As to practising in the UK, even if you were graduating with a FCH from a top UK university, you would have trouble getting a Training Contract. What more, as an applicant from overseas. Not saying this is impossible, but certainly the fact that you are applying from Singapore makes it even harder as that would require you to fly there for interviews and assessment centres.

I think the only qualification that don't really have a strong barrier to entry is the New York Bar. It's the one of the few qualifications that you don't have to have practical training and is basically an exam. You could look to get that and then apply for an inhouse counsel job.

Even then, I think the legal industry is going through a lot of changes at the moment, there is a huge pipeline of qualified candidates with "approved" degrees needing training contracts. This people would probably be ahead of the queue and will be your competition to whatever you are aspiring to become as the large law firms are not as easy to enter as before.
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No chance for A&G, WongP etc? I am determined and willing to put 12-15 hours everyday if required. Ask me start from the bottomest position at 2k I also can take it if they give me chance.

Legal exec as in in-house counsel? I don't mind also. Have one cousin doing in-house counsel for an O&G company, every time see her Facebook flying around the world makan who's food! But I thought need to clock some experience first?
I think as an external degree holder, you need to be realistic about your prospects in order to avoid disappointment, where disappointment = expectations minus reality.

Just laying out all the cards for you here. You need to have an upfront conversation with yourself.

Firstly, you don't come from the conveyor belt of local law SMU and NUS students, or the higher ranked or more prestigious Brit unis. That already puts you way back in terms of hiring prospects.

Its not easy to get into Big 4 law at all. People with stellar grades struggle to land a spot. This is not like other industries say accounting where their Big 4 hires an army of accounting grads with more or less average grades every year.

Landing a Big 4 training contract is perhaps like competing as a biz grad for a Management Associate position in one of the big local banks, i.e. definitely doable but not easy.

Secondly, everyone puts in the hours. The UCL law grad competing with you is probably also prepared to put in a 15 hour a day, 80 hour workweek. Hard work is not all there is in the working world. In fact working hard is probably the most straightforward thing to do, but there are so many other factors involved.

As for accepting a lower pay? Professional services firms pay standard rates according to each yearly intake. If they give you a shot, they'll pay you equally with all your peers. Otherwise, they won't even hire you at all.

Third, you cannot get called to the Bar with an external degree. Malaysia might give you a shot, but there are considerations of moving up north for a few years which you must think through for yourself. It's a long winding road if you take this path.

So you really do need to temper your expectations here. Not looking down on your qualifications or anything but this is the reality of your position.

I think before you start aspiring to the position your cousin (glamorous jet-setting in-house counsel at oil and gas etc etc), be mindful that she probably graduated from a recognised university and slogged it out at a top tier firm for a few years before ending up where she is now.

Its not impossible to become a lawyer and equalize yourself with the other law grads, but just be aware that by virtue of you taking a private law degree, there are all these systemic hurdles to cross before you can actually have a shot at progression in the legal profession. Your path will be necessarily different from the others, and definitely more arduous. But i won't dare to say that it is impossible. Good luck
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Old 31-08-2015, 10:48 PM
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to the UOL person:

You are really a hero or a troll. You suka suka enroll with UOL wanting to practice law even though you can't qualify for the bar . To come back as a foreign lawyer , you will have many hoops to jump through.

Can share how did you choose to do law in UOL and what motivated you ?
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