Fresh graduate seeking advice (Pte vs Civil Service)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The grass is much greener on the pte sector side. It pays much more than public sector and there is no career ceiling. Some losers are just unwilling to accept this fact due to their weak-mindedness that allows the employers to exploit them.

Remember in the pte sector, what counts is working smartly and making yourself valuable to neogtiate for higher pay and less work. Fools who think that working hard and staying loyal to company is the way will never get anywhere in their sad miserable life. Private sector has much more work life balance and pay is also much higher. I go home everyday before 530pm and never work weekend in my whole life.

This forum has a lot of people who refuse to admit their incompetence and blindly just repeat nonsense like pte sector has no work life balance and must work OT all the time. Wake up!!!

I grad in 2012 and currently working for an MNC now. HR focuses a lot on Work Life Balance and its all part and parcel of CSR and Corp Gov. So there is work life balance.

However, caveat emptor, if we put 2 fresh grads, same attitude, same performance level, same IQ/EQ, same KPI even, but one finishes his work and goes off on time everyday, one willing to work harder and go extra mile to exceed KPI, especially when you are a fresh grad, then HR will notice the one that works more.

In other words, you have work life balance, BUT ultimately how high you climb is how willing are you willing to get out of comfort zone to achieve smth greater in ur career.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I grad in 2012 and currently working for an MNC now. HR focuses a lot on Work Life Balance and its all part and parcel of CSR and Corp Gov. So there is work life balance.

However, caveat emptor, if we put 2 fresh grads, same attitude, same performance level, same IQ/EQ, same KPI even, but one finishes his work and goes off on time everyday, one willing to work harder and go extra mile to exceed KPI, especially when you are a fresh grad, then HR will notice the one that works more.

In other words, you have work life balance, BUT ultimately how high you climb is how willing are you willing to get out of comfort zone to achieve smth greater in ur career.

oh and by the way, you can negotiate for more pay with less work and "make yourself" more valuable, but it all goes down to "price" (your pay) and "market value" (your actual worth) when it comes to a period of recession and retrenchment. Who gets "pok" first is those that work little with high pay. Unless of course, you are the pet of senior management, or senior management himself.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

ST u mean Singapore Technologies? it's government linked la. how to pay well???

ST is the most f up place ever. They claim they are private sector but they progress just like a government job. They are just government job with lesser pay, and really not a good comparison.

For private sector, the path you chose is important. Against all objections by my family, i chose to go on an engineering degree. After graduation, then i realise how bleak is it, and regretted my decision somehow. Especially in sg, engineers are not so much valued. It's better for engineers to go government esp dsta (AND NEVER ST) for good pay. Otherwise, go another route.
Never join small firms in the pursuit of 'private industry', because they tend to kick you out once your pay exceeds 5k and they will start to weigh in you, vs training another new fresh grad.

I only know about engineering degrees and not so much about other industry.

True story from someone who has been in the field.