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StanfordGurl 30-11-2010 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7939)
Beginning to lose some respect for stanford graduate. why would you even consider working for the government unless you are bounded by scholarship. those who are stuck there, no choice. After working for a few years, most of them just cruise through life and either get too comfortable or too scare to join the private sector. but young man like you is thinking of working for government. not too bright, I must say.

First, I am not a guy. You can tell from my username.
Second, I am not as ambitious as most of you are. All I want is job security and to lead a comfortable life, and perhaps start a family in the not too distant future.
Third, it is clear that we obviously have different priorities in life and I do hope that you respect that.

Unregistered 30-11-2010 03:04 PM

Ops manager
 
Hey all,

is 4K PM too much to ask for? I am applying for operation manager at one of the gov hospitals.

My qualifcations : MBA
Experience 6 years exclu NS

Male 36 30-11-2010 05:34 PM

Jumping ship
 
I am a civil engineer worked for last 11 years with private sector and getting $6500 per month. I have a NUS master degree too.

I intend to join public sector (LTA, HDB, DSTA, JTC ...etc). What is the reasonable expectation of salary?

Thank you in advance!

Unregistered 30-11-2010 08:17 PM

seriously don't understand why people are asking for only 4k after spending so much time on a masters..

Unregistered 01-12-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by StanfordGurl (Post 8064)
First, I am not a guy. You can tell from my username.
Second, I am not as ambitious as most of you are. All I want is job security and to lead a comfortable life, and perhaps start a family in the not too distant future.
Third, it is clear that we obviously have different priorities in life and I do hope that you respect that.

Guy or girl ambition is important when young, sure I respect your view but fresh graduates should not be thinking this way. If the brightest and best think this way how is the economy to progress?

Job security and comfortable life? Sure but not now sista.

Jason 01-12-2010 01:19 PM

Hello guys, I have applied a job with the ministry.
How long do they take to respond usually?

Thanks!

Unregistered 02-12-2010 06:11 AM

Because of this group of people, I sometime think that we shall not provide equal oppurtunity of education to girl.


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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8082)
Guy or girl ambition is important when young, sure I respect your view but fresh graduates should not be thinking this way. If the brightest and best think this way how is the economy to progress?

Job security and comfortable life? Sure but not now sista.


Unregistered 02-12-2010 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8093)
Because of this group of people, I sometime think that we shall not provide equal oppurtunity of education to girl.

such shallow thinking! is it because you r deprived of a chance with standford, or you just cannot get in at all...

Jason 02-12-2010 08:26 AM

Can someone help me instead of unconstructive quarrelling?
Appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Jason (Post 8085)
Hello guys, I have applied a job with the ministry.
How long do they take to respond usually?

Thanks!


Unregistered 02-12-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by StanfordGurl (Post 8064)
First, I am not a guy. You can tell from my username.
Second, I am not as ambitious as most of you are. All I want is job security and to lead a comfortable life, and perhaps start a family in the not too distant future.
Third, it is clear that we obviously have different priorities in life and I do hope that you respect that.

It's precisely because of people like you that they restrict the female intake in law and medicine. Why waste money subsidising the education of people who stay home and have a comfortable life.

Unregistered 02-12-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason (Post 8096)
Can someone help me instead of unconstructive quarrelling?
Appreciate it.

c'mon friend, your question is also quite unconstructive. i mean, how do we know what the HR is thinking?

To give you a heads up, i applied about 5-8 ministries, and more in the private sector, none of them replied. Give up after 3-5 days and move on. However, if there is an application deadline stated, expect to hear within 1 wk of the application deadline or considered yourself rejected.

if HR is sincerely interested to employ u they will contact u within 1 wk. Otherwise, you might be on the spare tyre list.

Unregistered 03-12-2010 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7746)
Is it still true that
1st class = $3880
2nd upper = $3580
2nd lower = $3280
for fresh graduate(male) in DSTA

if someone male 2nd upper ($3580) or 2nd lower ($3280), after working 3 years in DSTA how much will he be earn by then? Any figures for me? Assume he is average performer in DSTA.


Absolutely still true.
Average performer maybe 5% increment per year.

Unregistered 05-12-2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8107)
Absolutely still true.
Average performer maybe 5% increment per year.

Then if promotion is how many % increment?? in DSTA

Jason 05-12-2010 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8102)
c'mon friend, your question is also quite unconstructive. i mean, how do we know what the HR is thinking?

To give you a heads up, i applied about 5-8 ministries, and more in the private sector, none of them replied. Give up after 3-5 days and move on. However, if there is an application deadline stated, expect to hear within 1 wk of the application deadline or considered yourself rejected.

if HR is sincerely interested to employ u they will contact u within 1 wk. Otherwise, you might be on the spare tyre list.

Thanks so much.

Unregistered 05-12-2010 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 6503)
This is about a year old when I was on the adjunct faculty at a poly

PAX 2 $10,520 - $14,500/ $16,490
PAX 3 $6,620 - $9,140/ $10,400
PAX 4A / 4E $4,580 - $7,030/ $8,250
PAX 5A / 5E $3,470 - $5,320/ $6,240
PAX 6A / 6E $2,150 - $4,160/ $5,160

this file says clearly how much they are paid.

http://www.npasu.org.sg/NewSal_Details_FAQ.pdf&pli=1

Unregistered 05-12-2010 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8124)
this file says clearly how much they are paid.

http://www.npasu.org.sg/NewSal_Details_FAQ.pdf&pli=1

The original url doesn't work for me, but trimming it a bit works fine:

http://www.npasu.org.sg/NewSal_Details_FAQ.pdf

Thanks for the url.

Unregistered 07-12-2010 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8119)
Then if promotion is how many % increment?? in DSTA

Personal experience: 17.02%.
That was in 2008.

Unregistered 07-12-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8130)
Personal experience: 17.02%.
That was in 2008.

so much?? 17.02% for promotion increment in DSTA??
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
means
from fresh grad 2nd lower degree(as engineer in DSTA), assume annual increment is 5%, and promotion(+17.02%) to senior engineer after 3 years

$3280(starting pay)-->$3444(after 1 year)-->$3616(after 2 years)-->$3797(after 3 years)-->$4443(promotion to senior engineer in the 3th year)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

means
from fresh grad 2nd upper degree(as engineer in DSTA), assume annual increment is 5%, and promotion(+17.02%) to senior engineer after 3 years

$3580(starting pay)-->$3759(after 1 year)-->$3947(after 2 years)-->$4144(after 3 years)-->$4850(promotion to senior engineer in the 3th year)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

that is alot..!!! but dunno real or not. any one can confirm??
my company promotion to senior engineer increment only (4-8%) nia..

Unregistered 07-12-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8131)
so much?? 17.02% for promotion increment in DSTA??
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
means
from fresh grad 2nd lower degree(as engineer in DSTA), assume annual increment is 5%, and promotion(+17.02%) to senior engineer after 3 years

$3280(starting pay)-->$3444(after 1 year)-->$3616(after 2 years)-->$3797(after 3 years)-->$4443(promotion to senior engineer in the 3th year)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

means
from fresh grad 2nd upper degree(as engineer in DSTA), assume annual increment is 5%, and promotion(+17.02%) to senior engineer after 3 years

$3580(starting pay)-->$3759(after 1 year)-->$3947(after 2 years)-->$4144(after 3 years)-->$4850(promotion to senior engineer in the 3th year)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

that is alot..!!! but dunno real or not. any one can confirm??
my company promotion to senior engineer increment only (4-8%) nia..

promotion does not mean becoming senior engineer.

becoming senior engineer also does not increase pay.

typical increment at ard 5% per year and 10% for promotion.

promotion typically happens during year 2 or 3

getting the senior engineer title is only a title which does not give you increased pay.

if the person gets ard 17% during promotion, it could be because his starting salary is below market value.

Unregistered 07-12-2010 09:35 PM

Is it unlikely that ministries and other stats boards will accept an ex-teacher?
I have applied to 13 positions but no news so far.....

Unregistered 08-12-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8124)
this file says clearly how much they are paid.

this is in 2008 during the salary revision..
there has been a 10% increase since then.

Unregistered 09-12-2010 06:45 PM

Guys, any idea of the baseline for a managerial position in corporate comms at STB?

Have 3 years experience in PR and creative direction, and 2 years as a journalist in a international news agency.

Danke.

Unregistered 09-12-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8136)
Is it unlikely that ministries and other stats boards will accept an ex-teacher?
I have applied to 13 positions but no news so far.....

my stat board got got an engineer ex-teacher. but he haven went for nie. just teach for 6 mths.

confused 10-12-2010 07:18 AM

Hi.....anyone know whats the pay structure like for a polytechnic development engineer for a fresh grad? is it similar to MX scheme?
Thanks.

Curious-employee 10-12-2010 07:00 PM

Re: Will having an MBA help?
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 7351)
Bottom line is if you dont have at least 2nd upper, the honest advice is to avoid govt sector.

What abt an MBA from a local uni? And which sectors are in need of this qualification? Thking of signing up for NUS or NTU, before deciding, need feedbk.....

Cheers

Curious-Employee 10-12-2010 11:31 PM

MBA from local Uni
 
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Originally Posted by Curious-employee (Post 8178)
What abt an MBA from a local uni? And which sectors are in need of this qualification? Thking of signing up for NUS or NTU, before deciding, need feedbk.....

Cheers

Furthermore, will getting a scholarship from e.g. SPRING help like MDS? Hope to get advice from gurus around, the MBA course is not cheap but heard NTU's Nanyang Biz School is quite highly regarded....

Finally, anyone know of STB, MOM or WDA Asst Director posts salary ranges? I heard Director post in Poly is PAX 2, correct me if I'm wrong.....

Cheers

Unregistered 11-12-2010 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious-employee (Post 8178)
What abt an MBA from a local uni? And which sectors are in need of this qualification? Thking of signing up for NUS or NTU, before deciding, need feedbk.....

Cheers

it might make up for it you won't get paid more than another candidates who has a better 1st degree (ie 2nd upper or 1st degree).

Unregistered 11-12-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious-Employee (Post 8181)
Furthermore, will getting a scholarship from e.g. SPRING help like MDS? Hope to get advice from gurus around, the MBA course is not cheap but heard NTU's Nanyang Biz School is quite highly regarded....

Finally, anyone know of STB, MOM or WDA Asst Director posts salary ranges? I heard Director post in Poly is PAX 2, correct me if I'm wrong.....

Cheers

scholarship from SPRING for MDS. totally no use. had friends who was in similar situation and no stat board will hire him. NTU biz school? still think you should hold out for a better school if you can afford it.

Unregistered 12-12-2010 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curious-Employee (Post 8181)
Furthermore, will getting a scholarship from e.g. SPRING help like MDS? Hope to get advice from gurus around, the MBA course is not cheap but heard NTU's Nanyang Biz School is quite highly regarded....

Finally, anyone know of STB, MOM or WDA Asst Director posts salary ranges? I heard Director post in Poly is PAX 2, correct me if I'm wrong.....

Cheers

Yeap. Pax 2, which is already in superscale G.

Unregistered 12-12-2010 02:41 PM

Averaged about 11% increment per year over 3 years in DSTA.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8131)
so much?? 17.02% for promotion increment in DSTA??
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
means
from fresh grad 2nd lower degree(as engineer in DSTA), assume annual increment is 5%, and promotion(+17.02%) to senior engineer after 3 years

$3280(starting pay)-->$3444(after 1 year)-->$3616(after 2 years)-->$3797(after 3 years)-->$4443(promotion to senior engineer in the 3th year)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

means
from fresh grad 2nd upper degree(as engineer in DSTA), assume annual increment is 5%, and promotion(+17.02%) to senior engineer after 3 years

$3580(starting pay)-->$3759(after 1 year)-->$3947(after 2 years)-->$4144(after 3 years)-->$4850(promotion to senior engineer in the 3th year)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

that is alot..!!! but dunno real or not. any one can confirm??
my company promotion to senior engineer increment only (4-8%) nia..


mid-life crisis 13-12-2010 05:55 PM

I need some advice here, applied for Asst. Director in stat board, offered $5,300 which is much lower than my current in private sector. But they tried to sell me the idea that C grade - below average performer gets 3.5 months bonus and B grade - 5 months. Is that true and if this is the average for Asst. Director? What is the max under this range?

Curious-Employee 13-12-2010 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 8184)
scholarship from SPRING for MDS. totally no use. had friends who was in similar situation and no stat board will hire him. NTU biz school? still think you should hold out for a better school if you can afford it.

Dear Unregistered,

Could you elaborate a little more on your freind's MDS situation? Isn't it suppose to be quite prestigious?

I knew an acuqintance that he became senior management in 2 years after he graduated from Nanyang MBA, another from NUS MBA - 3 years became senior manager (top management). Hence, my view that it is very useful in public sector as well (sponsored by SPRING up to 90%).

They don't admit many as well, only 20 people per year until budget runs out (which I heard is soon; it started since the financial crisis in 2008).

Cheers.

mid-life crisis 13-12-2010 05:56 PM

I need to know what kind of increment I can get a year and how soon can average performer be promoted to the next level?

Unregistered 13-12-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mid-life crisis (Post 8195)
I need some advice here, applied for Asst. Director in stat board, offered $5,300 which is much lower than my current in private sector. But they tried to sell me the idea that C grade - below average performer gets 3.5 months bonus and B grade - 5 months. Is that true and if this is the average for Asst. Director? What is the max under this range?

Bro, which statboard is this? that's pretty high.

Engineering based?'

Maybe you could state your working experience, (industry), degree type, class, local uni? This is because many forumers here adviced that govt sector is very particular abt grades, esp 1st degree - I believe masters is also crucial if relevant.

How many interviews did you go thru b4 this stage?

Cheers

mid-life crisis 13-12-2010 06:04 PM

6 years ex, 1st class, overseas uni, 2 interviews with a written assignment, non-engineering. I don't think I should reveal the stat board since its public info here. What is the normal salary then? Have rejected them, but they said will counter offer, but I don't think they can offer much more.

Unregistered 13-12-2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mid-life crisis (Post 8199)
6 years ex, 1st class, overseas uni, 2 interviews with a written assignment, non-engineering. I don't think I should reveal the stat board since its public info here. What is the normal salary then? Have rejected them, but they said will counter offer, but I don't think they can offer much more.

Asst director is Grade 4 - range depends on statboard (revenue based).

For university/polys - Grade 4 ranges 6k to 10k (approx.)

May I know what kind of assignment that they asked for?

Cheers.

mid-life crisis 13-12-2010 06:13 PM

Work related assignment based on real-life scenario. So Grade 4 is Asst. Director and what grade is Deputy Director and range of salary?

Unregistered 13-12-2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mid-life crisis (Post 8201)
Work related assignment based on real-life scenario. So Grade 4 is Asst. Director and what grade is Deputy Director and range of salary?

Dep Dir - Grade 3, Dir is Grade 2, both are super scale (above 15k)

Grade 3 and above are like senior management already.

What do you thk of your chances of counter offer? Why did you leave your job? 6 yrs of working exp should make you about 32 yrs old?

I wonder is there any place for a person above 40 in the govt, with 15 years exp in the service industry but hold MBA and engineering degree (3)..... Many forumers adviced to stay in private sector.....7 year itch I guess :)

mid-life crisis 13-12-2010 06:33 PM

What? From $5,300 for Asst. Director then the jump to above $15k doesn't make sense at all. Not sure about the chances of giving me close to my current, I make $8k in private now.

Unregistered 13-12-2010 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mid-life crisis (Post 8203)
What? From $5,300 for Asst. Director then the jump to above $15k doesn't make sense at all. Not sure about the chances of giving me close to my current, I make $8k in private now.

Typing error, of course this is not official, just hear say -

Grade 4 - 6k to 10k

Grade 3 - 10k to 15k

Grade 2 - 15 and above

Within grades have abt 2 to 3 other titles. Between grades are the big jumps.

You must be doing well in private, unless it is sales commission based.

Good luck and keep us posted.


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