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Unregistered 23-04-2024 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 276276)
May I check if I joined a ministry as MX12 with 10 yrs experience (for example) with a diploma versus degree, is there any difference in starting salary, yearly increment, promotion time line.

Thanks

yes, there's a HUGE difference.

1) your CEP will be different. cant rmb what CEP stands for, think Career Estimated Potential or smth liddat. diploma CEP at most MX12. with degree, your CEP at least MX11A or MX10.
basically in short, CEP means the final rank that you will achieve/hit before u retire.

2) with degree, your salary increment will be in the few hundreds per year n promotion will be much faster. with diploma, your salary increment ranges from $80 to $150 per year.

Unregistered 23-04-2024 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 276075)
I agree. My previous agency also promoted all fresh grads after 1 year. Yes, it might also be the case that at times when they need more hires, they will offer MX12 or that you are in the field that is in demand and they want you to agree so they offer you a grade higher to attract you. but if you take a look at the salary range of MX13 and MX12, there is quite an overlap so those offered MX12 don't need to be too happy because you might just be getting the same pay as an MX13 and this may have some disadvantages further down the road.

B*A also gives fresh graduates MX12. It's not only the ministries but statboards also. Likely to address the current surge in tech salaries driving away people from service.

Unregistered 25-04-2024 11:33 PM

Heard that ministries tend to pay less than stat boards. Is that generally true?

Unregistered 26-04-2024 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 276595)
Heard that ministries tend to pay less than stat boards. Is that generally true?

Yes but ministry bonus quantum is higher.

Unregistered 26-04-2024 12:57 AM

Perm or not shouldn't really matter unless you intend to spend your entire 40 year career in the same job.

NotHereNotThere 27-04-2024 11:55 PM

Stat Board vs Ministry?
 
Hi, sorry this is not directly related to salary matters, but - for those who have chosen a Stat Board over a Ministry before when offered both, may I know what was your thought process behind the decision?

I was given a verbal offer from a stat board (strategic planning) as well as its parent ministry (policy) and am in the middle of deciding which one to accept. Putting aside personal interest and salary/benefits, what are some other things I may wish to consider? Is it easier to jump from stat boards to ministries or ministries to stat boards? How about pivoting to agencies in other industries? Any inputs or thoughts would be greatly appreciated as this is my first PS/CS role. Thanks!

Background: Local uni grad, non-scholar, a few years work experience in a govt-affiliated organisation (not PS/CS).

Unregistered 28-04-2024 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NotHereNotThere (Post 276844)
Hi, sorry this is not directly related to salary matters, but - for those who have chosen a Stat Board over a Ministry before when offered both, may I know what was your thought process behind the decision?

I was given a verbal offer from a stat board (strategic planning) as well as its parent ministry (policy) and am in the middle of deciding which one to accept. Putting aside personal interest and salary/benefits, what are some other things I may wish to consider? Is it easier to jump from stat boards to ministries or ministries to stat boards? How about pivoting to agencies in other industries? Any inputs or thoughts would be greatly appreciated as this is my first PS/CS role. Thanks!

Background: Local uni grad, non-scholar, a few years work experience in a govt-affiliated organisation (not PS/CS).

Were you offered only contract positions? Or offered perm for both?

NotHereNotThere 28-04-2024 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 276863)
Were you offered only contract positions? Or offered perm for both?

Both are contract with possibility to convert to perm after a period of time. HR of both places told me this is the standard arrangement for new hires.

I'm taking this to mean that they are perm roles if I can meet the performance.

Unregistered 29-04-2024 08:07 AM

Mx11a rating for C, C+ and B can get how many months bonus?

Unregistered 29-04-2024 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 276074)
Not everything that is not aligned with what you got is ********. You likely got offered MX12 due to your job function which command a higher starting salary than those generalist. Also, it is not that i am not informed, instead, you are too new to know what's going on in general.

Just sharing, I joined as 11, policy role. Joined in the same year I was conferred my post-grad degree. Likely because of my experience in pre. They initially offered 12 but I rejected, they came back with revised offer after back and forth for almost 2 months. Must see your HR person willing to help you push or not.

Unregistered 29-04-2024 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NotHereNotThere (Post 276844)
Hi, sorry this is not directly related to salary matters, but - for those who have chosen a Stat Board over a Ministry before when offered both, may I know what was your thought process behind the decision?

I was given a verbal offer from a stat board (strategic planning) as well as its parent ministry (policy) and am in the middle of deciding which one to accept. Putting aside personal interest and salary/benefits, what are some other things I may wish to consider? Is it easier to jump from stat boards to ministries or ministries to stat boards? How about pivoting to agencies in other industries? Any inputs or thoughts would be greatly appreciated as this is my first PS/CS role. Thanks!

Background: Local uni grad, non-scholar, a few years work experience in a govt-affiliated organisation (not PS/CS).

Was in your position in 2021 where as a fresh-grad I had offers from a stat board and ministry (both for a policy role). I chose to go with the stat board due to the higher salary and have no regrets since I came to learn that the SB's overall pay was much better than the Ministry (higher starting + greater performance bonuses) and I still learnt about policy work albeit in a more specialised field.

I would encourage you to take-up the role at the SB, and consider going for a secondment in the future (to get a taste of ministry work but still enjoying higher pay since pay is paid by the stat board still).

Mao 02-05-2024 09:18 PM

Emplacement in civil service means that the probation is successful and the contract is converted to full time?

Mao 03-05-2024 12:36 PM

Realised that there is a typo in my above post. I mean permanent, not full time.

I received a letter of emplacement and I am wondering if it means that I am converted to permanent from contract and also I passed my probation.

Unregistered 05-05-2024 08:17 AM

I am a fresh grad in a ministry.

For some reason they pay the same despite Honours class (FCH and 2nd lower were offered the same starting salary).

We will be getting a promotion at our 1 year mark (this is guaranteed based on the monthly update) I was wondering if this is when the differentiation starts? Is it likely that the difference will start here?
Some of my colleagues claim that the raise is around 14%.

Does anyone know the typical increment when they go from mx13 to mx12 after one year?

Unregistered 05-05-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mao (Post 277617)
Realised that there is a typo in my above post. I mean permanent, not full time.

I received a letter of emplacement and I am wondering if it means that I am converted to permanent from contract and also I passed my probation.

Then what do u think?

Unregistered 05-05-2024 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 277794)
I am a fresh grad in a ministry.

For some reason they pay the same despite Honours class (FCH and 2nd lower were offered the same starting salary).

We will be getting a promotion at our 1 year mark (this is guaranteed based on the monthly update) I was wondering if this is when the differentiation starts? Is it likely that the difference will start here?
Some of my colleagues claim that the raise is around 14%.

Does anyone know the typical increment when they go from mx13 to mx12 after one year?

Increment is based on merit. Hence, your Performance Grading (PG) determines your increment, all else constant. Your colleague that started out with you (e.g. same batch or same hiring period) are likely to have the same increment for the same PG. Internal equity is important.

Unregistered 07-05-2024 02:03 PM

8.6k at age 40

barnaclehihi 08-05-2024 08:11 PM

Hi I'm currently 8 months into my one year contract in DOS. Under the MX scheme (MX12). I graduated in 2020 from local uni with a relevant degree (2nd lower), worked 3 years in private. I want to explore the possibility of going into the SN scheme as it entails more projects I'm interested in and prospects that are more inline with what I want. Anyone can help shed some light on how I should go about this? Possible to switch schemes before emplacement or need to quit and apply again(?) thanks in advance!

Unregistered 08-05-2024 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by barnaclehihi (Post 278044)
Hi I'm currently 8 months into my one year contract in DOS. Under the MX scheme (MX12). I graduated in 2020 from local uni with a relevant degree (2nd lower), worked 3 years in private. I want to explore the possibility of going into the SN scheme as it entails more projects I'm interested in and prospects that are more inline with what I want. Anyone can help shed some light on how I should go about this? Possible to switch schemes before emplacement or need to quit and apply again(?) thanks in advance!

How much is your salary or package now?

barnaclehihi 08-05-2024 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 278048)
How much is your salary or package now?

Why does this matter hahaha

Unregistered 09-05-2024 05:35 AM

Salary at people’s association
 
Hi, can anyone share the salary (both base and with field allowance) for people’s association? Hows the career progression like as well and the respective salary increments? Are people on the PA scholarship promoted faster/ have higher salary? Thank you and would really appreciate any help!

Unregistered 09-05-2024 07:38 PM

Hi, I am offered as a senior assistant director verbally but yet to see the appointment letter. Would just like to check with the shifu here, what grade is typically a SAD and if it’s considered end of life kinda post already? Ie anybody retiring will be sad

Unregistered 09-05-2024 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 278133)
Hi, I am offered as a senior assistant director verbally but yet to see the appointment letter. Would just like to check with the shifu here, what grade is typically a SAD and if it’s considered end of life kinda post already? Ie anybody retiring will be sad

Also, what the salary ceiling?

Unregistered 09-05-2024 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 278134)
Also, what the salary ceiling?

11A 5900 - 9700

If non scholar, some may retire at this grade

Unregistered 09-05-2024 11:34 PM

whats your age?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 278133)
Hi, I am offered as a senior assistant director verbally but yet to see the appointment letter. Would just like to check with the shifu here, what grade is typically a SAD and if it’s considered end of life kinda post already? Ie anybody retiring will be sad


Unregistered 10-05-2024 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 278133)
Hi, I am offered as a senior assistant director verbally but yet to see the appointment letter. Would just like to check with the shifu here, what grade is typically a SAD and if it’s considered end of life kinda post already? Ie anybody retiring will be sad

the grade depends on agency. in some places sad are only mx11a while some places is mx10

Unregistered 10-05-2024 10:45 AM

Hi, I was just offered mx11 (5.8k) with a 2 years contract. Are 2 years contract common? And what are the chances of being permanent after 2 years?

Background: local uni grad, 3+ yoe


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