I grad frm pte uni and getting 3.2k. U might wish to negotiate for higher pay since you 2nd upper hons degree. It wld be better if is frm ntu or nus. (:

haha, just to ask, are u male or female?? yes my degree is from ntu. but most of my frens are getting 3.2k so i think its a bit hard? the most i could do is tell them to offer me what the statboard wanted to offer me..

she is from local university 2nd upper,

100% she cannot nego, beccause all fresh are paid base on their class of honours on a fix scale MX13...

if she is a male and have done NS, she will get 3.6-3.7k for the same degree

hi guys.

i am a fresh graduate from Murdoch Uni, BCom (HR Mgmt & Marketing).

Taken at SMa Institute of Higher Learning.

24yo this year, male completed NS.

Any advice if i am going into HR?

Any suggestions for stat boards or ministries?

I am currently drawing only $2400 as a DBS call center agent.

2.5 years of call agent job. no HR background.

my diploma is from Ngee Ann Poly (Engineering Informatics)

pls advice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bad choice.. You should have went to NUS/NTU to get your degree... Think most ministries will not recognize your distance learning degree from a private school.. You can only try for stat boards... they are a little more lenient with their recruitment standards.. but these days when everybody has a degree, likelihood they will choose the candidate with the best degree.. Your chances are slim to nothing in the government sector...

ic. but my grades are nt that good for NUS/NTU. what would my starting pay be if i get into HR of a company?

public or private?

which industry?

Get more relevant HR experience (2-3 years maybe) in the private sector then try to get into Ministry or Stat board. Your call center agent experience is not relevant.

The economic outlook is uncertain and many people are seeking safe haven in civil service for the stability. Looking to get into civil service now, you will face a lot of competition from others seeking the same, good luck to those who want to get in. Plenty of applications for every single vacancy now.

is working in hospital (like TTSH/SGH/KKH/AH/CGH/IMH) consider working in the public service/government service?

apply for teachers loh. the demand for teachers is very high right now, more than 2000 vacancies. i have many friends who are teachers, some teaching in jc, some sec and some pri. for those jobs with only 1 vacancy, u really need to be damn outstanding in order to stand up among all the other candidates. u could be competing with 100 of candidates over 1 position.

cant agree more.its quite easy to get in frm wad i heard.my fren got in after a 5min interview. 5min, can u believe it haha

interview only 5 min?! Lol

Yes $1.2 is alot! I spoke to hr she said its the best she can offer. Well I guess for mso is still ok but compared to my current salary alot of difference. I was thinking to try other government jobs but just afraid no chance at all. I have to do some soul searching. Tho money is not everything it is important :)

yes.if u nailed the right answers (qns are quite predictable if u know what i mean), they wun probe u any further. wad they are looking for is passion and sincerity, wif a clear objective in mind.teaching is one sector where ur grades do not weigh as heavily in shortlisting of candidates compared to other civil sector positions.i know of ppl wif 2nd upper or 1st class getting rejected coz they said the wrong things during interview.

what is difference between mso and mx?
i am in stat board. i think i have mso as i see that in my salary slip.
i hold engr degree from nus

nonsense... please get your facts right even if its from a "friend"

Number of Hours Worked? Others?
 

Most people who post here seem very focused on only the money part of the remuneration package.

I left a job in the private sector paying 10k/month (5-7 months bonus) for a job in the public sector (Stat Board) paying only 8k/month (so far quite consistent 3.5-3.75 months bonus). I took a 2k monthly salary pay cut as well as an annual bonus pay cut of 20-30k. So I lost around more than 30k a year.

However, in my previous private sector job, worked 6 days, started work at 8am and NEVER got home before 11pm, Sunday was my sleep and recover day. I was stressed, eating unwell, and did not have much time for my wife and kids. I encashed most of my leave because I couldn't finish my leave every year.

Now, in my stat board, I work 5 days a week, start work at 8.30am and leave work at 6pm (5.30pm on Friday)! My blood pressure is lower, and I even know my son's girlfriend's name now! Before, I did not even know my boy had a girlfriend! I went to my daughter's dance performance for the first time in her life and mine, and started swimming again for the first time in ages. My family had holidays together for the first time since going to Genting with my kids more than 10 years ago.

So, was a 150k to 170k private sector job worth it versus a 120k public sector job? The choice is pretty clear right? :-)

Career progression in Civil Sector
 

I like to find out if career progression within the civil sector is tied to the qualifications you hold even with more than 5 years work experience. Say if you have a degree (not NTU/NUS/SMU) and you enter at a certain payscale, will your pay/promotion be stagnant there unless you go on to get say a Master?

Also, what is the average bonus payout for civil servants including AWS, VB, PB etc? 3 months?

I know that a lot of people who leave the pte sector to join the public service use the "work-life" balance argument to justify their decision and loss of income.

However, i believe that in certain cases, such as yours, the argument may be a little weak.
For high earners who used to earn >$5k/month (not inc. of bonus etc) for at least a decade in the pte sector, they would have done the proverbial, "i slog when i am young and relax when i am older". So the material luxuries would already be in place. A decrease of salary of 20% or less simply requires only an adjustment and if one had not been too spendthrift, savings and investments can make up that difference, maybe not 100% but enough.

Whereas for the mid- to low- salary earners of $2000 - 4000, a 20% decrease in salay is a lot to consider especially since any downward adjustment of lifestyle is a much sharper decline. i.e. the Opportunity Cost is much higher.

Hence, one cannot just use you as the case study for "i sacrifice $ for work-life balance" and in fact, some would go so far as to say that yours is the typical case study of "i cannot tahan liao, i go seek safe harbour with govt job".

A true case of wanting "work-life balance" and career satisification would be my buddy.
He was an engineer of nearly 10 years, in his 30s, earning about $3000-4000 (not sure if considered, low salary) and decided to do a master in counselling which is his passion. Completed it and decided to go work as a counsellor with a salary of less than $3000. Sold his car, because can no longer afford. Take bicycle to work instead. However, i have never seen him happier and more healthy. He takes part in marathons more regularly. Trains for them. Go bicycling with his wife and children and is filled with the zest of life. He had since moved into working for a ministry as a counsellor after about 3 years in counselling centre. His salary is still lower than when he was an engineer but he is still happy with no car, just a hdb and his family.

Now, this is what is truly, "worth it" and doing it for true work-life balance.

Just trying to put things into persepctive.

has it occured to people that with motication and attitudes of the people who are currently teaching that it could be a personnel issue instead of a systems one?

No system and plan, no matter how thoroughly planned out and tested etc, can be executed properly if the implementors/executors do not do it with motivation, passion and with intelligence. In fact, that would cause the system to be totally FUBAR.

And people wonder why our education system is failing.

I only answer the 2nd question:
the average bonus payout for civil servants including AWS, VB, PB>>>I would say for average "C" performer, total annual payout inclusive AWS + mid-year + end-year + PB is around 15-16 months.

You have family so the issue here is different from most of us who just graduated from Uni and stepping into the workforce or who wish to switch to get better pay and to youngster now, $$ seems to be more impt. Likewise I wld wish to get the most out of everything and $$ is definitely the key factor.

Seriously some ppl might not be able to accept a huge paycut. My frend who has no commitment and is wrking in an org which need to perform 3diff shift duties, PH and wkends is not guarantee rest day for him, totally hv no time for himself. He wanted a change and started looking for jobs. He draws a salary of 4K per month. Recently he went for a interview and was offer 3.3k and he is dilemma. Money or freetime?

Therefore you making a huge paycut in exchange for the time with ur family is admirable and I wld say is a brave decision. Some ppl might not see it as u noe.. $$$ is a temptation... I am glad you are happier & healthier now since you got to spend more time with your family. :D

i agree with lmaohaha. with more than 2000 vacancies, how hard it is to be a teacher?

mx scheme is for degree holders while mso is poly grad.

since u have a degree, why r u a mso?

i guess teaching is the best chance for one to be in civil sector. but then again, i hope such a system does not erode the moral values of the teaching sector...

stat board mso is different from civil service mso.

what is stat board mso ?

Hi, I'm a teacher teaching language for 4+ years. (erm i'm not those kpkb ones ok.. haha)
Looking for a place in a ministry or stat board.
Holding NUS degree (Bachelor of Arts) with mere pass with merit.
Female, no NS.
What starting pay should I expect?

probably 2840

fresh grad pass with merit, no NS, already getting $2920+/-

If assume your 4+ years is of RELEVANT exp to ministry, you would get 3.6k+/-50....around there...

oook! thanks! you know I was upset for a couple of hours after i saw 2840.
you guys know so much abt the civil service schemes and all! =)

estigist krom
 

Hi. Male with 2.5 years working experience.
Pass (merit) in mech eng in NTU.
Current pay is around 4.6k
If i am looking for a ministry or stat board position, how much can i expect?

Thanks

questions:
-Just curious, how much is your starting salary when you first join your current company?

-I am quite impress that only with 2.5 years of exp, you are getting 4.6k(even with pass with merit)!!! Because in my GLC company, those consider "B" performer consecutively with 5 years of exp & with 2 promotions since fresh grad(2nd lower hon) only manage to hit 4.5k after 5 long years with the company!!!

-is your 4.6k purely basic or (basic + allowance) ?

-Are you in oil/gas industry or exxon or shell?

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To answer your question:

Since fresh grad in 2012 with Pass Degree (With Merit) with 2 years NS = $3,288

Assume all the 2.5 years of exp in the private sector are RELEVANT in the ministry/stat board.....you should be getting around 3.7k :( with 15-16 months annual package

I have one job change last year which of similar industry.
I was promoted once in my previous job after 1.5yr service.
4.6k include basic + car allowance + handphone allowance.
My starting pay is $3,700 and this is my 10th month in this company.
I am not in the oil and gas industry.

seems like I will not getting the same salary if i switch to public / civil sector.

im quite shocked to find out dat MX10 upper limit is only 10k

isnt MX10 the highest grade non scholars can hope to hit ?

Not true. i've heard of an ex-police officer (non-scholar) converted to AO scheme. And is now a ministry perm sec.

non scholar can hit MX9 if you are really good.

ceiling for MX9 is approx 16k/mth
ceiling for MX10 is close to 11k/mth

for civil service, i understand that the interview standard format is 1st round meeting hr managers, 2nd round meeting directors. May i ask which round is the difficulty level of getting through higher? As in, is it a)1st round juz basic screening, 2nd round is real deal or b) 1st round is make or break, 2nd round is basically pleasing directors and saying the politically right stuff?

Depends. If your interviewer is someone who dislikes smart alecs and you say the politically correct thing, you also won't stand a high chance of being selected. Maybe you should have more interviews and have a feel of what majority of the interviewers like to hear.

this kinda thing is heng sway one lah. some of the interviewers might accept politically correct answers while some might not. i always give politically correct answers. haha